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Old 07-13-2012, 03:10 PM
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

This is why I always switch to 4LOW and drive over the moose.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:06 PM
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

The test shows me 1 thing: The JGC is has a high center of gravity and thus can be rolled over via driver error. I have told myself this since day 1 of buying it since I was coming from a BMW car with sport suspension that sat only 4" off the ground. Even BMW won't allow their SUV to do track days due to the potential roll-over possibility. If I choose to corner like I did in the car I can guarantee I will lose control. Of course the Jeep can go places the car would never go.

While I am very appreciative of independent parties that check safety of our products, I am shocked by the irresponsibility of this magazine.

As an engineer, there is no way this test would ever be repeatable on any vehicle. It is no different than you taking your car out and doing an evasive maneuver and stating it passed/failed. You have so many variable that they can't repeat (driver decision on when to make turns, passengers weight and when they each decide to lean/pull during the test, outdoor testing so tire temps/surface temps not consistent, etc).

Visit http://www.iihs.org/ratings/vrc/default.html. Even they have admitted on TV that certain aspects of the tests are impossible to reproduce (dummies could be placed just mm different, etc) and they have test systems that create consistency far in excess of the magazine. They try to automate, measure and critique every aspect of the test so they can create repeatability.

The JGC has been on the road for over 2 years now and I have not seen insurance companies raising rates dramatically since they are all rolling over (or losing tires in emergency situations). Remember the Ford Explorer/Firestone tire roll-over issue, very repeatable in the real world as it was documented to have happened many, many times. Until the magazine can dig up some statistics of a higher than normal roll over rate (or loss of tires) than a market segment as a whole (all SUV's) than it is just drama.

Finally, I can't respect anyone's report on safety when they choose to conduct a test with live humans when past incidents have resulted in roll over situations. Their choice to ignore proper safety gear and put people at risk discredits their report horribly.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:24 PM
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

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Some dumb effing comments here....
I can believe you are all on edge here trying to defend what you drive.
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Old 07-14-2012, 11:09 AM
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

That's not good.
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

We just need to put up more moose crossing signs so that the moose will know where to cross and to look out for traffic... Problem solved!
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Old 07-14-2012, 05:20 PM
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We just need to put up more moose crossing signs so that the moose will know where to cross and to look out for traffic... Problem solved!
Yeh. I remember seeing the aftermath of Ford Taurus vs. moose crossing interstate about 3 miles from my house. Both car and moose were totalled and taken away at the same time on the same flatbed truck!
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Old 07-14-2012, 05:47 PM
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

The most concerning thing about this is that the Roll mitigation does not appear to do its job. If the magazine has done the test as per Jeeps load limits and tyre pressures, then Jeep need to fix this.
This type of manoeuvre is at under 40mph, so we are talking suburban street speeds. Think about a child running out onto the roadway chasing a ball. You swerve to avoid them and end up rolling. This is unacceptable. All the electronic systems in our cars should be able to cope with this type of typical scenario.
I was sceptical of the testing, but it has become apparent that:
1. They have tested many cars the same and are independant
2. They used the Jeep specs when setting up the car
3, They are trying to reveal a serious flaw in the safety of this car

This problem could be caused by:
1. Jeep not giving the right load limits and tyre pressures for the EU market
2. A design flaw in the safety systems
3. A problem with the test vehicle
4. Inaccurate testing by the magazine.

I am now worried that our cars have an inherent flaw in the safety systems and would like an official assurance and proof from Chrysler that this is not the case. It may only apply to CRD or Export models, but either way we need assurance that there is not a real problem, or if there is they will bring out a fix.

There is no point in blaming a magazine that appear to be trying to show us of this problem. It is up to Chrysler now to prove that it is not a problem.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:12 AM
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

I'm confused. The YouTube euro Ncap video which appears to be more scientific shows no problem at all. The NCAP video is one main reason I upgraded vehicles.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:16 AM
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

Another question. This is done with a QL equipped GC. How does the standard steel suspension GC perform?
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It is up to Chrysler now to prove that it is not a problem.
Chrysler did respond. They flew engineers (and sent multiple vehicles) to witness the test. The magazine's test is so flawed that the result could not be repeated (even with the same Jeep). Chrysler can not fix something that can not be repeated. Additionally, with hundreds of thousands of vehicles on the road doing millions of miles, we have not heard of people rolling their JGC on suburban roads.

Any change they make to the system could potentially be MORE dangerous when you can't repeat the event you are trying to correct. This is why the magazine is irresponsible with their test as it is not scientific.
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Re: Have you seen this? Moose test

In the part 4 video, is the magazine testing at max load? While the Jeep engineers version of the test is with 291lb less weight? Am I interpreting that correctly?
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