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#1 · (Edited)
Hi guys!! I'm really interested in upgrading my Overland V6 into another 2014 Overland with the Hemi. While searching I actually came across a Summit with the Hemi that was actually in a good price range I thought.

Spoke to dealer and worked some magic and with my Trade, after going back and forth, I dealed and could essentially get the Summit for only 5k cash. Is that a good deal?

Here is the deal:
They get
-2014 JGC Overland (Max Steel) 4x4 3.6 V6 (no tech package)
-Miles: 10,200
-$5,000 Cash

I get:
-2014 JGC Summit (Black) 4x4 5.7 Hemi (all bells and whistles).
-Miles: 10,478

Worth it?? Seemed almost too good to be true to me!! I figure the extra 5k I'd be paying I would be get back on trade in later down the road anyways over what the Overland value was. So almost would be as if I got an even trade and upgraded to the HEMI and SUMMIT model for free.

What do you guys think?? I'm really tempted to do this!
 
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#2 ·
Hi guys!! I'm really interested in upgrading my Overland V6 into another 2014 Overland with the Hemi. While searching I actually came across a Summit with the Hemi that was actually in a good price range I thought.

Spoke to dealer and worked some magic and with my Trade, I could essentially get the Summit for only 5k cash. Is that a good deal?

Here is the deal:
They get
-2014 JGC Overland (Max Steel) 4x4 3.6 V6 (no tech package)
-Miles: 10,200
-$5,000 Cash

I get:
-2014 JGC Summit (Black) 4x4 5.7 Hemi (all bells and whistles).
-Miles: 10,478

Worth it?? Seemed almost too good to be true to me!! I figure the extra 5k I'd be paying I would be get back on trade in later down the road anyways over what the Overland value was. So almost would be as if I got an even trade and upgraded to the HEMI and SUMMIT model for free.

What do you guys think?? I'm really tempted to do this!

That doesn't sound that bad off hand if the summit is in good shape with no issues. check the build date on it, remember if it is prior to august 2013 you don't get the ACC with stop feature. not that this is a deal breaker just thought I would mention. what was the msrp for your limited? the summit you are looking at is the same one I have so it was in the 54 or 55 range
 
#3 · (Edited)
The Build date was March 2013, here is all the info on it:
Color: Brilliant Black Crystal Pearlcoat
Interior: Black
Engine: 5.7L V8
VIN: 1C4RJFJT9EC127898
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic (8HP70)
Odometer: 10,478 mi.
Body Style: 4WD SUV (4 Door)

They MSRP on my Overland was $46,990.00. I'm sure this summit was at least 8k-10k more than that, so the 5k cash seems good deal to me.

Also, it is in great shape, looks flawless, no dings. scratches or hard wear. Also it has the silver trim that I really love!! (not a big fan of the gold trim my overland has).

Some pics:







 
#4 · (Edited)
lol mine was a march build also and black interior and exterior must be its twin brother. before you do anything make sure that you drive it and drive it on the highway make sure it doesn't have shaking vibration issues and if it does make them resolve it before you sign on the dotted line. as long as it is mechanically sound, it would be hard to mess up a car in 10,000 miles but some people manage to do it. do a thorough test dive. sounds good I would grab it if I were you I am biased of course though lol.
 
#6 ·
The 5k price is already after haggling back and forth. They orginally wanted 6,500.00. 5k was the best I could get them down.

Would you say the Hemi is worth the upgrade??? That is the biggest reason I'm interested in trading. Getting rid of the V6. Also, since I"m not familar with the Summit, how do you like it?? Are all the extra bells and whistles nice?? Does the Harmon Kardon sound system sound that much better than the Alpine system in the Overland??

I really like the Summit looks, the only thing I will miss is the Overland wheels. I like the 5 spoke wheel look, but oh well, I can get over that.
 
#8 ·
One other thing I JUST learned about it!! The dealer says that it is a Manufacture Buyback... (which is why it's probably a good price). The issue it had was the audio not working properly but they ensured me that it has been completely resolved.

Anyone have any experience with a Manufacture Buyback??? Would it be a bad move for me to buy one?? Any negatives about it?

I have no knowledge of what to expect with those, so any advice, experience would be greatly appreciated!!!
 
#9 ·
One other thing I JUST learned about it!! The dealer says that it is a Manufacture Buyback... (which is why it's probably a good price). The issue it had was the audio not working properly but they ensured me that it has been completely resolved.

Anyone have any experience with a Manufacture Buyback??? Would it be a bad move for me to buy one?? Any negatives about it?

I have no knowledge of what to expect with those, so any advice, experience would be greatly appreciated!!!
I would be careful of that if the only issue was a radio issue that was resolved with later versions of software may be ok but I would make sure that was the only reason. I would investigate that a little bit further and definitely put the radio through a good test if you decided to take it. see if they will let you take it and keep it over night so you can look at it more closely
 
#10 ·
Yeah I was thinking that too, if it's just the radio, I can accept that.

But what impact would that have on resale down the road??? Do those take a big hit?? I wasn't sure how those work.
 
#11 ·
Concur w Silver: Careful on the manufacture buyback.

If it works out that it was just the radio, see if they'll swap the Summit wheels for the Overland's you prefer. It is the end of the month after all.
 
#12 ·
That is a good deal to swap. However, I would get the full maintenance report and go over it with a fine toothed comb to understand why a buyback.
 
#18 · (Edited)
Yeah, everyones comments got me worried so I just called the Summit dealer back and asked why specifically the Audio caused it to be a Lemon. He went and pulled the report and said per the notes it says: Radio was inoperative at times and also when trying to use phone, message would appear stating phone does not work.

He said, during the time they could not find a way to fix it but since have through software updates and the issue is now resolved and working fine.

I asked why would Chysler just buy something back that easily... the dealer said "you'd be surprised what customers claim to be a lemon, sometimes they just no longer want the vehicle and want out and claim little things as lemons". He also said... "Chrysler is about having happy customers and if a customer isn't truly satisified with the vehicle because of ongoing issues, they will buy it back to prevent any further conflicts to retain a postive relationship".

Not sure how much of all that was BS, but hopefully it really was just a minor issue and that the Audio was the only thing wrong.

I'm still waiting a response from my local dealer on the VIN check to see if they find anything else, I will update you guys when I hear back from them.

Don't touch a buyback unless it's stupid cheap. It will carry a branded title which hurts the resale value down the road.
This is also something I am worried about, but I figured with the drop in purchase price that it would offset the resale price later. Basically they are offering me a trade of $38,000.00 with $5k cash for the Summit. So I'd be buying the summit for $43k. Does that sound like a good price??
 
#14 ·
Here is what you should be asking: "Why did you have to buy it back for a RADIO problem?"

I had a radio problem in mine -the antenna Amp went. They offered to replace the head unit first (before they knew it was the amp), and when they had her opened up saw it was the amp and replaced that too. At no point in this process was there a "You know, if it's just too much trouble, we can just buy it back from you..." - they fight those lemon laws HARD!

Just my 2 bits...
 
#16 ·
Yeah I actually just called my local dealer where I bought my current Overland and told them of the vehicle I'm looking at and gave them the VIN on the Summit. They are going to look into it for me and let me know if I need to be concerned.
 
#17 ·
Don't touch a buyback unless it's stupid cheap. It will carry a branded title which hurts the resale value down the road.
 
#20 ·
I too think that a buyback for just the radio is fishy. Chrysler did a buyback for me because of an engine problem they couldn't correct. I was told that if they fix it the law states that any future purchasers must be informed that it was bought back.
Personally, I would stay away from it.
 
#21 ·
If yours is running good with no problems keep it and feel very lucky. I have radio problems and I wish they would buy it back. 30 days out of service for radio problems. In this jeep radio problems can mean a lot of things. Run like a bear is chasing you.

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#22 ·
I had a 98 JGC go back under the lemon law for a major drivetrain vibration that couldn't be found and fixed. The very first thing they did after I handed over my keys was to immediately place a huge manufacturer buyback sign on the windshield and driver's window.

At the time, my state did not require title branding for a manufacturer buyback. Basically, they shipped the car out and I'm sure it was sent to another dealership and resold.

I also find it hard to believe this was a buyback due to a radio issue. Like others have said... look into this closely before you buy.
 
#23 ·
I agree with the others here. It sounds fishy to me and it seems as though the dealer is blowing smoke up your backside. I could be completely wrong though. If it was me, I wouldn't go for it. Probably not what you want to hear from us. Just be careful.
 
#24 · (Edited)
Thanks everyone for the feedback!! Good news I got a call back from my local dealer who did a VIN search on it and they said based on the records it shows that the Summit was in the shop 12 times... all mostly for the Radio and a couple times for a transmission flash. So at least per his findings, it truely is only an issue with the Radio as far as we can tell. I'm not too concerned about the transmission flash as I had to have it done on mine as well for the shifting points being off. (I think that was normal across most Jeeps)

So far, my Jeep has no problems so I am a little worried about possibly getting one that does have problems, but they said the issue has been repaired and the Jeep is still under factory warranty so if something does occur, they will still have to fix it like they would any of our Jeeps under warranty.

I am actually going to stop in tomorrow and test drive the Summit and I am going to check EVERYTHING from the bottome up, from the engine performance all the way to the sunroof. Especially the radio!! :D

I am cautious about this but having my local dealer report it's history and not seeing anything to significant makes me feel a little better. Hopefully this ends up being a great deal for me, and not a future headache.

I will think more on it tomorrow and appreciate all the feedback from anyone!! Feel free to share more if you have thoughts.
 
#26 ·
Might ask them what the couple times for transmission flashes were. The 5.7 has only had one transmission flash for shift improvement and that was not released until recently on 02/14/14 not like the half dozen they had for the v6.
Good luck I hope it all works out
 
#28 ·
Since a buy back would have to have had documented service and the documented service you see is the radio, then sounds like your concerns should be alleviated. Test drive it really well, inspect everything (yes, including the radio), and check out the servicedetails on the transmission. If all is ok, then go for it. Again, a buy back requires documentation so the issue won't be hidden and will be part of the service log.
 
#29 ·
Thanks, it definitely makes me feel better about the whole situation!!! Plus after I test drive the V8 and see what I've been missing, it's going to be hard for me to not get all giddy and make the deal. I will have to slow down and make sure I cover and test everything before pulling the trigger.
 
#31 · (Edited)
Hi All! Just an update on this whole experience.

So Saturday I ventured up to the dealer and test drove the summit. When I arrived they had it out front and all cleaned up for me and ready to go (as they knew I was coming). First thing I did when I got there was asked for the CarFax which they provided for me. Turns out the Summit came from North Carolina (this dealer is in WI), so right off the bat I know it's been around. The CarFax didn't show too much more than what I already knew, showed numerous visits to the dealer for Radio issues amongst some other minor things. So with that, so far things were ok.

After all of that, we then went out and looked at the summit. The vehicle looked to be in decent shape, the interior looked brand new, seats had no wear, no visuals issues. The exterior however I was able to find numerous scratches!! One big one on the front bumper and then several random ones throughout on the passenger side door. Which of course on a black vehicle stick out like crazy. I quickly expressed my dis-interest with that right off the bat with the Dealer and he said he could try to have his detaling guys buff them out (yeah right!!). I mean they are not overly terrible scratches but I'm the kind of guy who is very particular about that kind of stuff and notices everything (I'm the guy who parks at the end of a parking lot in the middle of no where to avoid other vehicles).

Anyways I briefly looked past that and decided since I made the 1hr 30min drive up there I my as well take it for a spin. So we put plates on it and fired her up. Before going anywhere, I hit every single button I could find to make sure everything was working. Sunroof, check! Air Suspension, check! Seats, Steering wheel electronics, check!! Radio, check!!! (I will say however, I was not as impressed with the Hardon Karmon sound system like I was expecting, it really didn't sound all that much different from the Overland Alpine system. I guess I was expecting more boom and array of surround feeling). I also pulled out my blackberry and synced it to the Uconnect and everything worked fine there! So, so far, the fixes appeared to be made.

So now, the test drive. (also, keep in mind this is my first time EVER driving the hemi in a Jeep).

Start up and sound were great!! I really like the deep sound of the Hemi over the pentastar.

(by all this time, the motor was warm) Backed up, and started heading out of the dealership only traveling about 10mph, and right away I noticed a little groan and strange sound from the motor. Almost like a small hissing sound and gargle at low RPM. I didn't think much of it and then pulled out onto the road and accelerated, motor sounded fine then. As we cruised down the main road my first impressions were that the ride felt more bumpy as if the suspension was stiffer than my overland. Also the steering felt heavier, which I kind of actually liked. I think that is because the power steering is different with the V6 and Hemi models right?

Anyways, from the main road I decided to pull off onto a back road and see what the Hemi really has. I came to a stop, went into SPORT and Jammed the accelerator!! And well, we started moving, but to my surprise it wasn't as quick as I thought it would be. I mean, I definitely could notice it got going quicker than the V6, but not by all that much. I was hoping to feel it throw me back into my chair or something. Turned around and did it again, changing things up from 30-60mph, 20-50mph, SPORT on and off, ECO on and off, etc... and everytime when slowing down and running at low RPM's/throttle I felt/heard that gargle from the motor? I thought it was maybe the 4cy deactivating but it did this when I had ECO off as well, so not sure if it is an issue or not??

Also, the braking had a shudder feel to it, so appears they are pretty worn which leaves me to believe it had been driven hard as it only has 10k miles on it.

Anyways, overall I really wasn't that WOW'd by it. On the way back to the dealer my wife was looking at me like do we really want to do this? Is it really worth the extra cost and lemon'd title? The more we looked at it, the more we realized we actually liked the Overland we had better (in better condition, no issues, clean title). So ultimately we decided to pass on the Summit and just keep the V6 Overland. My wife made a good point, she said if after the test drive and review of the Summit, she noticed I didn't appear Excited!! Or pumped to do it! I kept asking, do you think this is better (motor)? Do you like this and that better (interior differences)? Does this sound much better (Harmon Kardon)? And all of our answers were... yeah, it's not bad or it's ok...blah! LIke I had to question everything.. nothing really jumped out at me saying, I got to have it!

So we kept the Overland, went and grabbed lunch, and headed home. On the way home, I will say, I felt relieved! I still had 5k cash in my pocket and am not driving a lemon titled vehicle.

Now today, I am thinking of going to my local dealer and test driving the limited Hemi they have just to see if I noticed the same thing in the Hemi to see if there was any real issues in the Summit or if it was just normal.

Even though the Hemi wasn't nothing extraordinary, I do still like it better than the pentastar. So if the right deal comes along somewhere with another used 2014 Hemi JGC, I may visit this scenerio again.

For now, the quest continues!

Thanks again everyone for your input and advice!!
 
#34 · (Edited)
Good job. :)
Thanks to the 8 Speed, the difference between the 3.6L and the 5.7L isn't really all as big as it used to be.

Is there a listing for this vehicle?
 
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#36 ·
You made the right move. You would have worried about every noise you heard. Nothing against the dealership, but there job is to make the most, your job is to save the most so you have to do your own due diligence. I've caught so many dealers either in lies or trying to stretch or hide the truth.
 
#38 · (Edited)
You made the right move. You would have worried about every noise you heard. Nothing against the dealership, but there job is to make the most, your job is to save the most so you have to do your own due diligence. I've caught so many dealers either in lies or trying to stretch or hide the truth.
Yeah I kind of wondered this too! I thought they seamed all to easy to deal with. Either they were the best dealership in the world or there are red flags about the Summit they were not telling me and are anxious to get rid of it.

I mean from the very beginning, when talking numbers they did little to no push back on what I was offering. Also I asked if I could keep my overland wheels and swap them with the Summit, without even thinking, they said no prob!

Part of me wonders if they would of even given me the Summit for an even trade for my Overland. I wouldn't be surprised if they would of taken that deal as much as it appeared they wanted to get rid of the Summit. Probably for the dealer, getting a non-lemon'd titled vehicle in my Overland for their Lemon'd Summit would be a huge win for them.
 
#37 · (Edited)
I love how there is no Carfax report listed!
They're trying to hide it. In the description, it says "This vehicle has been repaired." or something along those lines. Sigh... whoever comes to buy it probably won't be asking a single question. Eventually they will get someone stupid enough to come along and purchase it.
I'm just glad you went into this with at least some concern and then realized it wasn't really that big of a deal.

Keep your good Jeep. :)

...meanwhile I will, and the rest of us will continue to do whatever we can to improve quality. Our warranty claims are down considerably for last month! Even *my* jaw dropped with our numbers! While I probably can't release the numbers... it was

XX/1000. ;)
 
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#39 ·
...meanwhile I will, and the rest of us will continue to do whatever we can to improve quality. Our warranty claims are down considerably for last month! Even *my* jaw dropped with our numbers! While I probably can't release the numbers... it was

XX/1000. ;)
Haha, great to hear!! Thanks for the inside information. My Jeep has been trouble free so far.

I would of beat my head through a wall if I had gotten the Summit and then started having problems knowing that I gave up my perfectly good problem free Overland for it :motx:
 
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