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Old 03-24-2013, 01:28 PM
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Re: Help: Struck Out ordering '14 Summit at 2 Dealers !

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Re: Help: Struck Out ordering '14 Summit at 2 Dealers !

You don't really think that invoice is what the dealer pays for a car. Based on the costs of my business, if they sold at full sticker and invoice was their cost they still couldnt make a living around here.
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:53 PM
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Re: Help: Struck Out ordering '14 Summit at 2 Dealers !

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AHHHhh, yeah I switched over to a white background b/c I couldn't stand the dark background. I was constantly squinting my eyes when trying to read everything.
I use a white background and selected the black text from the text color drop down. If you don't see it, click the advanced button.

Anyone who can't read your text can simply highlight it. It will give them the inverse color and show up fine.
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If this guys dealer was beating him up about 1.5-2% under invoice and crying broke then how are these dealers making money and offering the forum members 4-7%?? How are those dealers making money on the deal without misrepresenting something somewhere else in the deal??
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:52 PM
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Re: Help: Struck Out ordering '14 Summit at 2 Dealers !

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If this guys dealer was beating him up about 1.5-2% under invoice and crying broke then how are these dealers making money and offering the forum members 4-7%?? How are those dealers making money on the deal without misrepresenting something somewhere else in the deal??
Because Chrysler LLC (Jeep) offers cash to the dealer for volume sales. The group buys were contingent on meeting certain numbers, e.g. 5 or 10 sales minimum.
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Volume sales they get a certain % back by a date in the month, then how many they sell in a certain quarter. The dealer isn't losing money on a sold order ask they aren't actually taking ownership of it like they do with ones sitting on the lot.. If they lose $500 per car but can make $30k from all those sales, would you think they are losing money now??
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Re: Help: Struck Out ordering '14 Summit at 2 Dealers !

Black book is $11-12K

Trade is $13-10k

so that looks fine.. but I will tell you that they will not want a 122k mile car!! and as for the $$ agreement I dont know really anyone that will sit on a price in todays used car market.. OH ya I also wholesale cars and one of my dealers in a jeep dealer
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Just making sure because there are several deals floating around out here and I don't wanna waste time at a dealer only to find out it was b.s. just to get me to show up
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It's the end of the month, perhaps the dealers are more flexible now so they can meet their goals.
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Re: Help: Struck Out ordering '14 Summit at 2 Dealers !

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You don't really think that invoice is what the dealer pays for a car. Based on the costs of my business, if they sold at full sticker and invoice was their cost they still couldnt make a living around here.
It depends on the situation. Invoice, less holdback, less incentives is the dealer's price for the car. If you have a trade, that is another profit center because they pay you one price, sell it for more. If you finance through them, more profit. Buy a warranty or paint sealant, more profit.

In the OP's case he's buying the car cash, assuming he buys no extras, cost is invoice less holdback (3%).
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It's the holdback plus the 3-4% that you really want to have access to and that will help the buyers deal out.
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Re: Help: Struck Out ordering '14 Summit at 2 Dealers !

OK, First, THANK YOU to everybody for their help and input. After reading the replies perhaps I was asking for too much, but I got most of those ideas from reading here - so it's all your faults !!

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Hey. Go to the bottom of the sub-forum page Grand Cherokee WK2... all the way down to the bottom left. See the drop down arrow? Change your color combination please.
I have changed over my colors, so now I have the white screen and black fonts - Thanks (and Sorry for the Confusion with the White on White Post !!)

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Where are you located?? I would check with more dealers. If they aren't giving you what you want for your car then just sell it yourself.
I am North West New Jersey - Warren, Sussex and Morris Counties. I am 48 and have never sold a car before - always traded in. I have accepted the trade price, was just trying to go lower on the invoice.

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Some people have been able to get 2% or more by themselves. If your willing to drive a little try contacting more dealers in your state to see if they will work with you. If you are using affiliate program, the dealer is getting that money back so they aren't losing anything.
I am still not sure what the Affiliate program is - and not sure if I am using it ? The first Dealer said he was giving me Affiliate Pricing (1% Under Invoice) that was reserved for empolyees and friends & family of the Dealership. But figuring I could get the same 1% from "Tread Lightly" it didn't seem like a special deal since I was working with the "Owner"

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You went in with high expectations.......I'm not saying dealers should gouge, but getting offered a fair price isn't failing.
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Yes, you are right....after reading this Forum for the past few weeks I admit I was excited and had high expectations !! And when I got home last night, I did feel like I failed !!

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Once the dealer goes below 2% of invoice (with affiliate) his profit is the 3% hold back, less any expenses.
Can you explain this "Affiliate" I still don't know what this means ?? Are you saying the Dealer could do 2% with Affiliate and still have 3% Holdback ? Could the Dealer have offered me 2% Affiliate ?

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It is hard for a Jeep dealer to sell a 120k mile Acura on their lot. They will send it to auction, and thus won't give you more than a couple grand less than average auction prices. Regardless of what a book says about value.
In my OP I said I had the Exact Trade Price BEFORE I got to the Dealership, so I Never had a problem with the Trade Value.


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Its up to you to decide if $750 is worth not having the Jeep you want. The numbers are what the numbers are...
Good Point Here !! I had Budged for a Overland V8, but then decided I wanted the Summit V8 for the Color and for HK Stereo and other options...so this put me on the higher end of the budget, so just trying to do the best I could !!

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take a check from you so they're not going to make any money on financing, and give you the vehicle at their cost.
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In the OP's case he's buying the car cash, assuming he buys no extras, cost is invoice less holdback (3%).
Never said I wasn't doing Financing, after the Trade I was going to Finance some, most or all of the remaining 40k

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It sounds to me like both dealers are willing to give you a damn good deal, you're just expecting them to lose money to sell to you.
From what I read here, the Dealer wasn't Losing Money by Selling at 3% Below Invoice, so I must have misunderstood !

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It's the holdback plus the 3-4% that you really want to have access to and that will help the buyers deal out.
Wait, can you explain this - I thought asking 2% Below Invoice was too much ? But are you saying there is Holdback of 3% PLUS another 3-4% ??

Thanks Again....I will have to re-evaluate and try Plan B !! Also wondering if either place will try to contact me tomorrow - but I guess if they let me leave - maybe not !!
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