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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

I was in the same situation. I've had several Jeep gassers over the years. I tow a little and the idea of the good mileage figures on the diesel swayed me over. I've read everything I could on the 14' issues and ordered a 15 Limited diesel last week. I'm hopeful the issues are/will be resolved before delivery. Good luck with your decision. I was on the fence for months.

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people that buy a v8 dont care much for fuel economy in saying that i consistently get 23mpg+ here down under.
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Old 01-20-2015, 09:23 PM
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Well it's been a few months and I haven't ordered a jeep yet. Now ready to buy but still debating over the hemi or diesel option on a 4x4 overland.

I'm continuing to read about problems with the diesel and it's def/dpf system....which makes me nervous to order especially with my short trip driving style. Parts availability appears to be a concern as well.

Haven't read of much complaints on the hemi other than the fuel economy.

Anyone else able to comment on their suggestion based on my criteria in the original post?

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The hemi has probably had fewer complaints on here over the diesel or v6 but hopegully the new ones coming off the line now have a lot of stuff worked out so i wouldnt let that be a heavy decision point and youd likely be ok with any of them from a mechanical standpoint.
One thing i would throw in is that i regularly do a lot beter than the EPA highway number of 20 on the hemi with regular on trips calculated. Generally the hemi mileage has been better than i expected for what it is with mixed at 17-18. Now city only mileage is not going to be good that is just the nature and weakness of v8s. Everyones mileage is going to be all over the place though thats just my personal expreriance over the last two years.
Run your own numbers between the diesel and hemi using your type of driving and your cost difference on diesel. In my location diesel is always at least a dollar more expensive and there is no signifcant difference worth considering concerning fuel price between the two engines and it just came down to the one i wanted most. for you if diesel and gas are near the same price your going to get a decent fuel savings so something go consider.

I think you are already leaning to the diesel and thats the one you want. I wouldnt let a few problem reports on the def keep you from buying it. These are issues they are aware of and solving. There is never a perfrct time to buy anything you just have to jump in when it looks reasonable. Now go order your Diesel lol
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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

Haven't read of much complaints on the hemi other than the fuel economy.





I've been window shopping both as well.
It appears Hemi sales numbers are down(15 %), so not much on the forums about them.
On the other hand , Diesels sales and complaints are popping up more frequently.

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I'm in Ontario Canada as well. Not seeing that "no charge Diesel" offer anywhere.

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My 2012 Hemi is an all around champ! three years later.

My only apprehension with the new Diesel is dealer service dept.

I do see many CRD JGCs on the roads so it gives me hope going forward.
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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

Buy the diesel and spend $175.00 on doms skid plate to protect it and then you'll be fine. If you get the diesel for the same price as you would get the V6 its a no brainer. The Hemi is a very old engine. The diesel is built a lot better as all diesels are so you'll be worrying about everything but the engine for a long time. The regen issues aren't as serious as everyone makes it out to be. I have 30,000 miles on my 2014 Jeep WK2 CRD and no issues other then before I had the skid plate with the DEF Fluid Injector being broken from going through a puddle. The skid plate has since fixed that flaw. If there was an upcharge id say go with the petrol V6, but all things being equal and the extra outlay you say you'll have for the hemi just get the diesel you'll be way ahead of the game, better fuel economy will save you as well.

I commute about 3 minutes to get to work everyday and have no issues with that. I also do a lot of highway driving (as you can see 30,000 miles and i've only had it a little over a year) so that evens things out for me. Love the car still, the ride is amazing, and so glad I got the diesel. I've done the NY to Detroit drive they advertised and I didn't have to fill up.

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Well it's been a few months and I haven't ordered a jeep yet. Now ready to buy but still debating over the hemi or diesel option on a 4x4 overland.

I'm continuing to read about problems with the diesel and it's def/dpf system....which makes me nervous to order especially with my short trip driving style. Parts availability appears to be a concern as well.

Haven't read of much complaints on the hemi other than the fuel economy.

Anyone else able to comment on their suggestion based on my criteria in the original post?

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I was in the same situation. I've had several Jeep gassers over the years. I tow a little and the idea of the good mileage figures on the diesel swayed me over. I've read everything I could on the 14' issues and ordered a 15 Limited diesel last week. I'm hopeful the issues are/will be resolved before delivery. Good luck with your decision. I was on the fence for months.
I haven't seen 2015 owners report issues yet but they've only had them a month or two so far I believe. Agree with the new SCR Cat the DEF/Cat issue "should" be fixed.

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The hemi has probably had fewer complaints on here over the diesel or v6 but hopegully the new ones coming off the line now have a lot of stuff worked out so i wouldnt let that be a heavy decision point and youd likely be ok with any of them from a mechanical standpoint.
In my location diesel is always at least a dollar more expensive and there is no signifcant difference worth considering concerning fuel price between the two engines and it just came down to the one i wanted most. for you if diesel and gas are near the same price your going to get a decent fuel savings so something go consider.

I think you are already leaning to the diesel and thats the one you want. I wouldnt let a few problem reports on the def keep you from buying it. These are issues they are aware of and solving. There is never a perfrct time to buy anything you just have to jump in when it looks reasonable. Now go order your Diesel lol
You're correct. I am leaning towards the diesel but the cost to buy w/o incentives (is +5000) over the Hemi. The Hemi choice just seems like a lower risk but the mileage and resale on the diesel keeps me leaning that way.

Also like the way the diesel runs at low rpms over the hemi as I do mostly city driving. Imagine it also tows smoother. But for my needs either is just fine.

In Canada Diesel and 87/89 are really close (winter higher for diesel, lower in summer). Based on the updated economy ratings for the diesel and hemi, I should save $800-$1000 using the diesel on a yearly basis. So it looks around a 5yr payback but also need to consider oil changes, DEF etc.

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I'm in Ontario Canada as well. Not seeing that "no charge Diesel" offer anywhere.
They ran that at least 3 months last year on the 2014s.

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Buy the diesel and spend $175.00 on doms skid plate to protect it and then you'll be fine. If you get the diesel for the same price as you would get the V6 its a no brainer. The Hemi is a very old engine. The diesel is built a lot better as all diesels are so you'll be worrying about everything but the engine for a long time. The regen issues aren't as serious as everyone makes it out to be. I have 30,000 miles on my 2014 Jeep WK2 CRD and no issues other then before I had the skid plate with the DEF Fluid Injector being broken from going through a puddle.
Definitely will put a plate on if I get the diesel. Still can't believe Jeep hasn't started putting one on...

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In Canada Diesel and 87/89 are really close (winter higher for diesel, lower in summer). Based on the updated economy ratings for the diesel and hemi, I should save $800-$1000 using the diesel on a yearly basis. So it looks around a 5yr payback but also need to consider oil changes, DEF etc.
Cost of DEF is negligible. In 7 months and 12k miles of ownership I had to add 2.5 gallons and I'm still at 5/8 tank. The price difference between the specific expensive oil used by the ecodiesel and regular oil is not that much either, especially compared to your annual fuel costs.

I was very worried about the DEF/DPF/SCR system and its fragility as well before I bought mine. I guess I still am "concerned", but so far I've had no real problems.

My previous car was a '12 JGC limited Hemi. It was great and I loved it but I love the diesel more. Honestly if most of your driving is around town I'm not sure which I'd recommend. On one hand I felt like the Hemi was a boat anchor in town. I know they have the 8-speed tranny now (mine was 6) and I'm not sure if that would have fixed things. But if I gave it enough throttle to respond the way I wanted, my gas mileage was abysmal (like 10). Regarding overall economy, my Hemi averaged 17mpg and my ecodiesel averages 26 for the same driving conditions and style. Just a data point.

On the other hand, if you drive mostly on city streets the diesel might not be a great choice either because you might not give the DPF a chance to regenerate itself often enough. Mostly that means you get reduced MPG as it continually tries to regen. If it's really bad you could get that message to go driving on the highway for 30 minutes, and if you ignore that for too long, you get stuck in limp mode and get to make a nice visit to your closest dealer. I drive 10 miles each way on my daily commute and between bad traffic and city streets, only about 4 of those miles are open highway. But that seems to be enough to keep the DPF happy and mine only does an active regen once every three or four days.
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You're correct. I am leaning towards the diesel but the cost to buy w/o incentives (is +5000) over the Hemi. The Hemi choice just seems like a lower risk but the mileage and resale on the diesel keeps me leaning that way.
5k over the hemi? Is that a Canada price? It's only a couple grand here in the US
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I was very worried about the DEF/DPF/SCR system and its fragility as well before I bought mine. I guess I still am "concerned", but so far I've had no real problems.

On the other hand, if you drive mostly on city streets the diesel might not be a great choice either because you might not give the DPF a chance to regenerate itself often enough. Mostly that means you get reduced MPG as it continually tries to regen. If it's really bad you could get that message to go driving on the highway for 30 minutes, and if you ignore that for too long, you get stuck in limp mode and get to make a nice visit to your closest dealer. I drive 10 miles each way on my daily commute and between bad traffic and city streets, only about 4 of those miles are open highway. But that seems to be enough to keep the DPF happy and mine only does an active regen once every three or four days.
I am about 80 percent city driving but could do a hwy drive more often if needed. Wonder if the 8spd helps the hemi around town.

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5k over the hemi? Is that a Canada price? It's only a couple grand here in the US
it's 4995 to upgrade from hemi to diesel overland up here. Plus 13% tax
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I am about 80 percent city driving but could do a hwy drive more often if needed. Wonder if the 8spd helps the hemi around town.




The hemi with the 8spd is one of the nicest powertrain combos i have driven, very smooth and effortless acceleration city or highway. Great passing power if you need it, very happy overall
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The hemi with the 8spd is one of the nicest powertrain combos i have driven, very smooth and effortless acceleration city or highway. Great passing power if you need it, very happy overall
Good to hear if I go that route. Figured it'd be a vast improvement around town over the old 5spd.

So presuming no attractive promotions come on to buy the diesel, considering around a 5 yr payback in terms of fuel $ savings, from a $ perspective does it still make sense to go diesel considering some of the potential issues with them? Guess I would need to get used to filling with diesel and the gloves going forward too

This is considering I'm happy with either performance wise for my needs, and V6 is not even an option for me.
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