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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

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The Hemi is a very old engine.
I don't quite get this argument, can you elaborate?

My wife drives a '14 with the CRD and I have an '11 with the Hemi. Both are great but I'd go with the CRD if I were in your shoes. Don't put too much weight on the DPF regen problems, you can adapt your driving on the rare occasion it occurs.

And you mentioned fill-ups and buying a glove. Keep in mind the CRD has a 720 mile range so those fillups are a LOT less frequent in the CRD, a large time and hassle savings.

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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

Diesels are a high duty engine. They do not do well sitting, or short trips. Gas would be better for low mileage short non highway driving. Since your tow loads are light go with gas. The v6 gets much better gas mileage than the hemi.


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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

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Hi all, I'm looking at ordering a 2015 Overland but trying to decide on the diesel or hemi. I've driven both and like how they drive. Based on this criteria, which one do you think would make sense (keep in mind in Ontario they seem to have the no charge diesel or hemi sometimes so would order one when the right promo is on).

1. Drive about 15000kms/9000mi per year total
2. 85% city driving 5 to 15km short trips
3. Would occasionally tow up to 1700lbs on 50km to 100km trips. About 5 times a year i would do 600km tow trips.
4. 89 octane gas and diesel fuel are closely priced in Ontario so not much concern there.
5. Would get the 7yr warranty on either.

Based on that is the diesel also a good option? I've read that short trips aren't ideal for them? If so then why? Never had a diesel but from my research the maintenance costs won't be bad based on the amt I'll drive. The mpg and low rpm torque in the city makes me really want to consider it.

I would appreciate your feedback.

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Stay away from the diesel at all costs. I just got stranded by my 2014 Limited Diesel and will never own another. Read the thread on the DEF problems.
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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

Around here gas is much cheaper than deisel, so I'd go Hemi, and with some simple bolt on upgrades the 5.7 pulls notably harder, particlularly at lower rpm than stock. at 110k, mine runs far better than it did new. CMR tune, and taper ported 85 TB are great for low/mid end torque and throttle tip in, making it so much more fun to drive around town, and at WOT. You also get the 87 CMR tune which saves $ over 89 oct, if you dont want to run the 93 tune. Advice; stay away from 5.7 cold air intakes and exhaust "upgrades" they actually lose low end response, making it worse around town and make horrible noise; i removed those, went back to stock, best unmods ever.
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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

Here's my 2 cents:

I currently live in Calgary and own a 2014 diesel, if you would have asked my 1 year ago I'd give you raving reviews on buying one. Since last July, much like many others on the diesel forum, I've had reoccurring P20EE problems. The vehicle has been back and forth from the dealership every other week for the latest "fix" to it. I've had stretches where I was placed in a rental for 3 weeks and as I write this, my vehicle has been in the shop for 2 weeks without them having any clue on a fix let alone when it will be fixed.

They have replaced 4 X DEF pump, sensors, injector and numerous flash updates. They haven't replaced the Cat yet, which is what I've been begging for them to do since October. I've had Chrysler Canada warranty national involved and they're a joke at best. Poor communication, they simply call the dealership and relay what the dealership says. If I wanted the dealership's update, I would call them directly.

Also, Canada doesn't have lemon laws, instead they have the CAMVAP arbitration. It's of no cost to you but if you want a buyback (like i do) they value the car for 160,000KM's (99,419 Miles). Because of this, I'd be losing close to $8,000 which I'm not prepared to do. I've called other manufactures and seeing what they will give me for a trade in and it's even worse. I'm now stuck in a problematic diesel trying to deal with a disaster of a dealership/national warranty.

My best advice is to run as far as you can from the diesel and the problematic P20EE code. That's my experience and opinion.


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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

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Here's my 2 cents:

I currently live in Calgary and own a 2014 diesel, if you would have asked my 1 year ago I'd give you raving reviews on buying one. Since last July, much like many others on the diesel forum, I've had reoccurring P20EE problems. The vehicle has been back and forth from the dealership every other week for the latest "fix" to it. I've had stretches where I was placed in a rental for 3 weeks and as I write this, my vehicle has been in the shop for 2 weeks without them having any clue on a fix let alone when it will be fixed.

They have replaced 4 X DEF pump, sensors, injector and numerous flash updates. They haven't replaced the Cat yet, which is what I've been begging for them to do since October. I've had Chrysler Canada warranty national involved and they're a joke at best. Poor communication, they simply call the dealership and relay what the dealership says. If I wanted the dealership's update, I would call them directly.

Also, Canada doesn't have lemon laws, instead they have the CAMVAP arbitration. It's of no cost to you but if you want a buyback (like i do) they value the car for 160,000KM's (99,419 Miles). Because of this, I'd be losing close to $8,000 which I'm not prepared to do. I've called other manufactures and seeing what they will give me for a trade in and it's even worse. I'm now stuck in a problematic diesel trying to deal with a disaster of a dealership/national warranty.

My best advice is to run as far as you can from the diesel and the problematic P20EE code. That's my experience and opinion.


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Wow. Thank you for that input. There seems to be many folks dealing with the P20EE issues.

Also would have thought you would be getting a decent trade value for something else. Any chance of trading for a Hemi or V6 for you?

I guess one this is that with the "updated" cat on the 2015's I haven't read of anyone having an issue...yet.

This is exactly why I'm on the fence. The fuel savings and low end torque is very attractive, but don't want to be in to the dealer, and dealing with parts and support on this new power-train.

Thanks again for everyone's input so far. Very valuable info for me.
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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

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Wow. Thank you for that input. There seems to be many folks dealing with the P20EE issues.



Also would have thought you would be getting a decent trade value for something else. Any chance of trading for a Hemi or V6 for you?



I guess one this is that with the "updated" cat on the 2015's I haven't read of anyone having an issue...yet.



This is exactly why I'm on the fence. The fuel savings and low end torque is very attractive, but don't want to be in to the dealer, and dealing with parts and support on this new power-train.



Thanks again for everyone's input so far. Very valuable info for me.

It's a beautiful vehicle and the engine is superb, but dealing with the emissions controls is a big headache. I have 35,000 KM's on mine after over a year, (which is more than average) driving the trade in value down. Also, it's a domestic and it loses the most value in the first 3 years of ownership. I had bought this vehicle with the intention of driving it until it wouldn't go anymore, I just didn't anticipate that would be 8 months after purchase.

Currently they have me in a gasser rental and it constantly reminds me of the benefits of the diesel engine, but the fact that there is so many reoccurring issues with the emissions controls makes me have buyers remorse. Being in Alberta, there is no currently provincial regulations or emissions testing for vehicles, I even asked if they would do a DPF delete. They gave me a resounding no.

Like I said before, this is my opinion and experience, but given the chance to do it again, I wouldn't buy the diesel Grand Cherokee.


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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

Fields31, I am in Calgary, too! Over a few months, I had looked at the 2014 Diesel Overland, took it for a test ride, priced it out & then did the same with the Hemi. After going back & forth, I decided on the Hemi. Why? A bunch of reasons, really . . . it has been a proven workhorse for a number of years, it has heaps of power, it sounds great, and it's relatively reliable! The gas mileage is no screaming hell, but the price of diesel (before the gas pump prices took a dive) was like .20 cents a litre MORE than regular. So how is that a savings in your pocket book? It's not . . . . I've always enjoyed V8 motors and never had any issues with them! They just WORK! So after reading about yours & numerous others with diesel motor issues, I believe I made the right decision! Besides, my wife said she didn't want a diesel Jeep, so who am I to argue? RIGHT! Happy wife, Happy life!
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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

A lot of members have posted their opinions - some worthy of note and others perhaps not...

DEF/emissions issues
There are quite a few who have had/are having problems with their DEF systems/cat; no doubt about that, and I understand their frustration with not having a definite solution from the factory after having purchased a vehicle such as this. But generally speaking, far more enthusiasts on forums like this are likely to post negative experiences than are those who post positive ones, so the numbers of problems can be skewed in favor of the negative.

Maybe I'm fortunate, but so far I have not experienced any of the trouble codes on my Dec. 2014 build. I did have the regen warning pop up once last summer; took it out for a quick 15 minute run on the freeway and all was good.

My driving habits seem to be similar to yours, with primarily in town driving (when I drive it). I'm 7 miles from my office, and I use local streets rather than the freeway here in Orange County, CA. So, having read up on this subject before I decided to go with the 3.0 CRD, if I've been driving it to work regularly, I simply take it out for a 45 minute highway cruise about once a month, on the weekend (hardly any traffic, so I can maintain a 65-70 mph speed).

Otherwise, I have 3 other vehicles to choose from, so the WK2 doesn't see a lot of regular driving except for when I go out of town/vacations, etc. That's what I bought it for.

Fuel prices

Until a couple of months ago when crude prices took a nose dive, I was paying about the same or just under the price for mid grade gas. When prices went up, I was paying about $.05 or so above mid grade. The factory manual recommends mid-grade, 87 octane for the Hemi. So when I made my purchase decision, I compared the price of mid grade gas to diesel. I do not believe that comparing regular grade gas is an "apples to apples" comparison, despite those who do so and use it anyway. And AIR, this was thoroughly discussed back in 2013 as the 3.0 was ready for release.

As of right now according to my Gas Buddy app, fuel prices at the local Chevron where I buy my fuel are as follows:

diesel $3.299
regular 3.699
mid 3.799
premium 3.899

So today her in OC, diesel is significantly less than any other grade.

Other considerations


I was also interested in the extended fuel range, for light/moderate off-roading & extended camping excursions out in the desert. My trusty '97 ZJ, while being a pretty darned reliable vehicle since new, just doesn't have the mpg range with all the mods I've done for more extreme rock crawling, so I'd need to carry a lot of extra fuel (not practical without a trailer).

And, I wanted all the "bells and whistles" that came with the Summit; I couldn't be more pleased.

Admittedly, it's a tough decision, but after reading through all the opinions and whatnot, just go with your gut instinct. Good luck!
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Re: Hemi or diesel based on this criteria (Canada)....

Recon thanks for the detailed reply and many others who have responded!

I ended up ordering a diesel after several months of deliberation (no eta for build/delivery yet). The def/dpf issues still worry me a bit but FCA is working on them and not hearing anything from 2015 owners on the subject.

Fuel prices of diesel and mid grade here are similar. Even comparing regular fuel to diesel, it still comes out on top easily with estimated fuel savings of $700 to $1000 a year based on my yearly mileage and comparing posted fuel economy ratings of the hemi and diesel. That adds up over a few years! Not to mention not having to visit the pumps so often.

The hemi and diesel also cost the same to purchase here with the free diesel promo. Hemi may have actually been more depending if there is a fuel levy on the 2015's (could never get clarification on that when I was looking into it).

The hemi certainly is quicker top end and it's reliability made me really consider it regardless of mpg's.

Just hoping it comes in soon. If I get wind of a several month delay to receive that could sway my decision as need something sooner than later however on paper and in test drives the diesel won me over. I can only imagine how easy it will tow too!
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