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Old 03-14-2017, 08:12 AM
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Hemi vs. V6 driveability

I am completely fed up with the driveability of the V6. I have had the vehicle for 4 years and put on 70k miles.

The v6 to me is a complete dog. Constantly bouncing around between 6th, 7th, and 8th on the highway, dropping to 4th or 5th if you want to add more than a half a mile per hour every 10 seconds, taking a corner and being in 3rd or 4th even with ECO off, and having no torque to get you going without downshifting into second. Unless in sport mode, it always starts in second gear, even with ECO off..so obnoxious. Sport mode is incredibly annoying. nice that it starts in 1st, but will hold second gear at 4k RPM for an annoying length of time.

Anyway...enough ranting.

Has anyone owned both the V6 and the V8? I've only briefly test driven the V8. In real world usage, is it as infuriating as the V6? I'm hoping the V8's torque makes the driveability a bit better, or the transmission actually made by ZF acts a lot better.

Any input appreciated! Almost bought a GMC Sierra until I figured out that it's too long to fit in my garage!

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Re: Hemi vs. V6 driveability

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I am completely fed up with the driveability of the V6. I have had the vehicle for 4 years and put on 70k miles.

The v6 to me is a complete dog. Constantly bouncing around between 6th, 7th, and 8th on the highway, dropping to 4th or 5th if you want to add more than a half a mile per hour every 10 seconds, taking a corner and being in 3rd or 4th even with ECO off, and having no torque to get you going without downshifting into second. Unless in sport mode, it always starts in second gear, even with ECO off..so obnoxious. Sport mode is incredibly annoying. nice that it starts in 1st, but will hold second gear at 4k RPM for an annoying length of time.

Anyway...enough ranting.

Has anyone owned both the V6 and the V8? I've only briefly test driven the V8. In real world usage, is it as infuriating as the V6? I'm hoping the V8's torque makes the driveability a bit better, or the transmission actually made by ZF acts a lot better.

Any input appreciated! Almost bought a GMC Sierra until I figured out that it's too long to fit in my garage!

Also...anyone want to trade?
I haven't owned the V6, but have driven it multiple times and multiple instances as rental.

Suspect a flame war about to erupt, but there is really no comparison between the driveability of the v8 vs the v6. Never really paid any attention to what gear the v8 starts in, as when it begins moving--it begins moving at a rate pretty linear with how hard you press on the pedal.

The V6 does have adequate power, but thats kinda like saying your salary or hand size is adequate or similar. It moves the vehicle--until you need to climb a mountain, hit a short merge, etc. I also notice transmission hunting even on fairly modest rolling hills way more than the v8. On the high, steep Colorado freeway, the diesels seem to be able to keep up much better than the v6's do. The v8 just cruises at whatever speed uphill you want.

The v8 does tend to take its time downshifting if you are heading steeply uphill at a moderate cruise and want to pass or similar when not in sport mode--but the v6 pretty much just gives you a "are you kidding me?" response under the same conditions.

Try one, you'll like it. And the soccer moms might appreciate a clean '14 v6 as you trade.
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Re: Hemi vs. V6 driveability

I have. The V8 drives a little better but it's not night and day.

Sport mode is functioning how sport mode does in almost every vehicle.
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Re: Hemi vs. V6 driveability

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I am completely fed up with the driveability of the V6. I have had the vehicle for 4 years and put on 70k miles.

The v6 to me is a complete dog. Constantly bouncing around between 6th, 7th, and 8th on the highway, dropping to 4th or 5th if you want to add more than a half a mile per hour every 10 seconds, taking a corner and being in 3rd or 4th even with ECO off, and having no torque to get you going without downshifting into second. Unless in sport mode, it always starts in second gear, even with ECO off..so obnoxious. Sport mode is incredibly annoying. nice that it starts in 1st, but will hold second gear at 4k RPM for an annoying length of time.

Anyway...enough ranting.

Has anyone owned both the V6 and the V8? I've only briefly test driven the V8. In real world usage, is it as infuriating as the V6? I'm hoping the V8's torque makes the driveability a bit better, or the transmission actually made by ZF acts a lot better.

Any input appreciated! Almost bought a GMC Sierra until I figured out that it's too long to fit in my garage!

Also...anyone want to trade?
I had a GMC Sierra with the V8 and to me it wasn't much better at times with the hunting of gears. I think the 14 models the tranny hunted alot but never really started out in 2nd so much. I think the 2nd generation 8spd has been better but there still could be some tinkering done to it. I think the 17 is snapper than the 14 was and gearing is somewhat better.

I will say this between the GMC Sierra and my jeep with the v6 as I pulled my buddies 19 Ranger boat with both vehicles thinking the GMC would tow with little effort, not the case. When I compared gas mileage between the 2 the GMC was worse and still hunted for gears at time even on the smallest of hills. To me I noticed this difference and it annoyed me to have a bigger engine and still see this happen or fuel mileage suck as bad. It would of been nice to see what a V8 jeep would of done but for how often I would really need it it isn't worth the extra price tag.
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The 2017 Pentastar doesn't have the second gen 8 speed.. does it?
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Re: Hemi vs. V6 driveability

I think the trans jumping around gears so often is just something that is going to happen with the new transmissions having so many gears. I have the V-8 and my girlfriend has the V-6. I'm not sure how much my opinion counts considering mine is a 2012 6 speed and hers is a 2014 8 speed. But I have never felt that hers was under-powered by any means. I wouldn't tow a 25' boat with hers, but for general driving around and small loads it has always been much more than adequate.
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The 2017 Pentastar doesn't have the second gen 8 speed.. does it?
Supposedly on the 4x2 models it does but I haven't seen confirmation that happened.
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I think the trans jumping around gears so often is just something that is going to happen with the new transmissions having so many gears. I have the V-8 and my girlfriend has the V-6. I'm not sure how much my opinion counts considering mine is a 2012 6 speed and hers is a 2014 8 speed. But I have never felt that hers was under-powered by any means. I wouldn't tow a 25' boat with hers, but for general driving around and small loads it has always been much more than adequate.


I have the ZF transmission in the X5, it's the same as in the HEMI, it is flawless and pleasure to drive. The ZF clone in the V6 Jeep is horrible at least in the 2015, hopefully it's just the programming and not the actual transmission.
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I have the ZF transmission in the X5, it's the same as in the HEMI, it is flawless and pleasure to drive. The ZF clone in the V6 Jeep is horrible at least in the 2015, hopefully it's just the programming and not the actual transmission.

Same thing here and same opinion here.
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I think the trans jumping around gears so often is just something that is going to happen with the new transmissions having so many gears. I have the V-8 and my girlfriend has the V-6. I'm not sure how much my opinion counts considering mine is a 2012 6 speed and hers is a 2014 8 speed. But I have never felt that hers was under-powered by any means. I wouldn't tow a 25' boat with hers, but for general driving around and small loads it has always been much more than adequate.
I've always wondered if the better behavior of the V8 8-speed is a matter of the better power/torque of the V8 masking it, or if it comes from that same exact 8-speed being used in euro perf sedans which much more finicky drivers.
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Re: Hemi vs. V6 driveability

While a little off topic, CRD fixes both issues... True ZF made tranny, Plenty of torque to avoid hunting, Doesn't care if you are towing anything or not....unless its over 5k Lbs. And no worse than 25 MPG daily driving....
But between the Hemi and V6 it would be Hemi hands down......Wouldn't want an engine roaring at me every time I wanted to move out....
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or if it comes from that same exact 8-speed being used in euro perf sedans which much more finicky drivers.
I doubt it's better because of finicky drivers. European vehicles are more refined than any FCA product... My 2014 Hemi had a much better transmission than our 2015 V6. It didn't make me feel like I was driving a marshmallow when it shifted and it never felt hesitant or confused.
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