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No, it's not.


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Old 06-26-2016, 01:50 AM
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

If you have to look at the screen to actually confirm the gear you're in then it's a bad design.

A great design is when you can activate the gear you're in by tactile feel, feedback, without having to double check on the screen the selection you made.

Now that's common sense.

I love this short throw shifter. I wouldn't want to go back to the old method. But for the love of God just make the gear selection actually register correctly based on the number of indents.

I don't want this activate to park fail safe workaround but the shifter still isn't responsive to the indents in the first place.


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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

I think it's a good shifter. I have had it for 3 years and never had an issue. Is it different? Sure. That's where I think the issue lies. People don't like change. They don't like learning new things. I'm not saying everyone, but the majority. Once the shifter recall is done, there will be something else to complain about, like the ebrake, for not having any feedback and having to look at the cluster to see that it activated.
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Why would a software upgrade cause a delay in a recall? How hard can it be?
Software upgrades are not "simple"...changing even one small parameter can affect a whole bunch of other things. So when new firmware is put together to add features or change how things work, there is generally an extensive testing period to insure that things work properly across the board before general release. The change with this update to address the recall isn't simple in any way, shape or form...it affects multiple vehicle systems and control points. What they did to get it out sooner was kick up the resources for testing. The actual development part was only a portion of the work.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

We will all never agree on the shifter. Lol. :slap fight:

I love the short throw shifter. I wouldn't want to go back to a gated shifter. They just need a better implementation where you DON'T have to look at the screen to double check if you shifted in the right gear.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

I prefer mechanical over electrical but that's just my simple nature. Mechanical can give notice of wear, electrical fails without notice. The more these trucks do for us the less reason we have to pay attention to what is going on around us. Distraction becomes a habit. KISS principle. Keep It Simple, Stupid.
It would suit me if every vehicle was required to have the same exact layout for headlamp switch, wipers, shifters, etc. A learning curve in a vehicle can kill you. After going from a 98 Dakota and an 04 Ram to this 2011 Jeep required quite a bit of looking around and searching in the dark for controls that should be second nature in any vehicle. Not just the shifter. The radio requires far too much visual attention to operate. There's no way to feel your way over to a dial and know what it does, you have to look at it and take your eyes off the road. Function and safety should take precedence over style any day.
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It would suit me if every vehicle was required to have the same exact layout for headlamp switch, wipers, shifters, etc.
Yes Comrade, but first we must get Big Brother to mandate it, but He is busy designing the in-cabin video camera to watch you drive as the red light and speed cameras aren't enough. LOL Just joking with ya.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

The same can be said with everything else - Drive By Wire and Electric Steering where the steering column doesn't exist and the feel/tension of the steering is really just a mock up of what it would have felt like.

I wouldn't want the same internal switch layout for every vehicle model, let alone every vehicle. That would definitely kill (pun, too soon?) creativity and inspiration to move forward into the future design of automotive.
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Yes Comrade, but first we must get Big Brother to mandate it, but He is busy designing the in-cabin video camera to watch you drive as the red light and speed cameras aren't enough. LOL Just joking with ya.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

Got my shifter recall done on Friday, took over 4 hours to update 4 computers on the Summit. Now when the car is in neutral and you open the door the car automatically shifts into Park. There is no alarm but the EIF says "Autopark".
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"Here come the shifter lawsuits" --- and apparently for 35 million furniture dressers (IKEA) too...... oh come on. If you are a deep pocket, patent trolls will snipe and so will the lawyers. Somethings gotta change.....

There is even a law firm website targeting this... IKEA Furniture Tip-Over Accidents | Feldman Shepherd

But oddly, another website to rightly build awareness and prevention says their 3 year old 28 lb daughter tragically died when 150 pound (non-IKEA) dresser fell on her. Meghan's Hope - Home Unsecured anything --- furniture, TV's, statues, bowling balls, you name it can fall and hurt someone. Gravity is a fact of life.

I know, I know, it is off a Jeep specific topic, but the pointing of fingers to others is just getting out of hand. With respect to the actor who died, if his GC was in neutral on a steep slope and he got out and in front or back of his vehicle, he is to blame. You have to push the shifter button in to go from Drive to Reverse or Park.

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