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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

I don't know that I would say he was to blame. Certainly it is the drivers responsibility to make sure the vehicle is safe to exit, but to put the blame on him for an issue that has issued a massive recall BEFORE the incident is just wrong. He fell victim to a poorly designed/interfaced shifter.

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It is no coincidence that the vehicle that killed him in this way is a 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee.


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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

^^^^^^^

It is operator error, the shifter did not malfunction. To blame this accident on FCA when the guy was on a steep slope is silly. It is up to the driver to ensure the vehicle is in the correct gear. If you are confused by the shifter, then you should be paying extra attention, not less.
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VW just agreed to pay over 5 billion with a B. Estimates that customers with the diesel will receive between $1000.00 to $5000.00 each. The rest goes for government fines and lawyers fees. It was on the scrawl on Fox News last night.
Owners have already received a $500 good will offering that is outside of the main settlement. The settlement is $5000 to $10000 roughly, depending on age/condition and possibly even a buy back.
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Look at the dash, I believe it lights up a P when in park than and only than should you exit your vehicle otherwise you can't fix stupid! Look at the dash or the shifter, common sense guys!!


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Somewhat ignoring the concept of understanding why that funny looking foot-pedal to the left of the brake is called the PARKING BRAKE.

I suspect that some of the older geezers like me got into the habit of always using that parking brake due to having driven 50s and 60s series automatics where a very very light tap in a parking lot would break the transmissions parking pawl.
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This attempt at class action will be thrown out.
I'd be willing to take some of the action in a contrary bet.
Have you gone to the law firm and looked at the conditions under which they would add you to the class action... it isn't just for owning one.

Although I wouldn't be surprised to see diminished value being added to that or another lawsuit in the not too distant future.
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Why would a software upgrade cause a delay in a recall? How hard can it be?

I had a hardware recall take a year for my '12 to get done. This is what bugs me. Who wants to wait for a recall once aware of it? I almost traded mine in because of the delay...

This sort of thing is probably more common (shifter error) in manuals than autos.. But no one drives manuals anymore.
Once you do less than optimal things, you tend to be careful and test the holy living heck out of your "solution" and may even bounce it off the folks hounding you for it before you make it available.
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Still makes me cringe when people say "oh just look at what gear you're in and you'll be fine". It's a BAD design! Just because you haven't gotten killed yet or even shifted once into the wrong gear, doesn't mean people that very smart/careful people have not. I've shifted a few times in which I thought I was in one gear but was in another even when I was sure I shifted correctly.

It's a flawed design which invites bad things to happen. That's it.


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It could be argued that the majority of other vehicles using the same ZF monostable design tend to be sold to owners who have to actually prove they can operate a vehicle [e.g. Germany] before being turned loose with a lethal device.

Somewhat snarkier would be that the other vehicles using the design tend to be purchased by people possessed of somewhat higher situational awareness.
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Common sense people!!!!! Its that simple.
Common sense is an oxymoron.
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They should.go back to the wk1 shifter but modernize the look of it. Easiest shifter I've ever come across is in my 08....
Possibly a return to the Mopar button controls?
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Got my shifter recall done on Friday, took over 4 hours to update 4 computers on the Summit. Now when the car is in neutral and you open the door the car automatically shifts into Park. There is no alarm but the EIF says "Autopark".
What happens if you are in reverse and you open the door?
[not moving please, we don't want you to hurt your vehicle]
Reverse is much easier to leave the transmission in than neutral...
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Possibly a return to the Mopar button controls?
Problem is people would still wouldn't shift into Park and would still have this issue as the P is missing on the first button
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