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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

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Possibly a return to the Mopar button controls?
THIS is what was in my Dad's 1956 Chrysler with a hemi, torque flight tranny I believe, and the car was pretty quick!! Fond memories Dave

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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

But the issue most are continually missing is that per the police report, the actor's Jeep was in NUETRAL, not the mistaken REVERSE INSTEAD OF PARK that is the main part of the this shifter issue. Happened to me once, for about a second. There are 2 visual readouts for gear position. The software update for Autopark should be fine unless we were to need to operate with door open as in being stuck or an alignment maneuver.
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BThe software update for Autopark should be fine unless we were to need to operate with door open as in being stuck or an alignment maneuver.
It's been posted that if one has their seatbelt fastened and they open the door for vision, the auto-park doesn't happen. So apparently it's setup to sense the belt being properly latched.
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Old 06-28-2016, 07:49 PM
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

Both me and my wife had a 2014 JGC Limited. She still has hers and on Friday I just replaced my 2014 with a 2016 JCG Limited 75th.

I loved the 2014 shifter. I also like the 2016, but miss the quick sport mode capability. I wish the button for the sport mode was all the way to the left and not in the middle.

In any case, I do believe there is a defect besides the confusion factor. I will admit, there were several times I got confused when trying to get into reverse. I never got confused going into Park.

In the 37 months I had the 2014, there are about 5 times that my JGC wouldn't go into Park when I tried to put it there. I would shift into Park from Drive and the vehicle would be in Neutral. I would try several times to move the shifter in Park and it wouldn't go, while I kept pressing harder on my brake. Finally the only way to get it into Park was to release the brake, and then re-apply the brake and try shifting it back into Park. That solved it each time. My wife has never had the issue on her JGC, it just happened with my JGC. My wife was with me twice when it happened to me so she witnessed it as well.

I never brought the vehicle into the dealer because it was so rare - I figured there was no chance they could diagnose it. I was just very careful and warned my wife to be careful. When I saw the recall first came out I was glad to see that there truly was a problem. However as all the following discussions have taken place about the recall, the root cause seems to be people and confusion. Well if I hadn't had this issue, I would have agreed. However, while there are certainly people confused, I don't believe that's the root cause.

I don't know if there is a defect in the shifter or another piece like letting the shifter know it's okay to shift because the brake is depressed (forgive me, I don't know what that part is called) - but based on my experience, there is a defect somewhere along the line that is intermittent (albeit extremely intermittent - 5 times in 37 months with many, many shifts to Park).

I'd bet a lot of money that Anton believed he put the shifter into Park. I can't believe anyone would shift out of Drive and into Neutral to get out of a vehicle. Could it have been confusion? Could it have been this defect? We'll never know. At least the fix should resolve it whether it's confusion or defect.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

^^^ Since I use the shifter without even thinking as it is intuitive for me now (first week I paid attention each time I shifted) I decided to intentionally try and see how could happen. Since I always press in the shifter button I thought I would try without doing so. With my foot on the brake and NOT pressing the shifter button, the shifter will go from Drive to Neutral only. You have to press the shifter button to go to Reverse or Park (I kept the break pressed so have no idea if possible to do without pressing the brake). Perhaps the actor just pressed forward and didn't press in the button???

I consider the new auto-park a safety enhancement which manufacturers should be encouraged to do but not a necessity.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

I've not had any problems with the shifting. It was a noticeable change when I got into mine for the first time, but I noticed and adapted. It's not a huge deal to me. If I have any complaint about this, it's that they're telling you to get it done ASAP, then it's virtually impossible to get it in to fix it. If there's any real liability to me, it's that there's been a terrible rollout to the dealers. Before I'd roll out a major recall, I'd make sure the dealers are ready to handle the influx of repairs.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

so here is my take on this, a lawsuit on this to me is absolutely frivolous. All it will accomplish is cost you and me more money the next time we buy an FCA product. I had to adapt and pay attention when I bought my MY15 GC and I did accidentally knock mine into neutral one time in traffic. I have also not gotten it all the way into park, but it beeps and has a red ring on my cluster telling me I have not shifted all the way into park.

Someone had said something about the euro car makers, they (audi, bmw, mini, etc) have a solution already in their software (idiot proofing?) . it either auto shifts into park or kicks the park brake on if you open the door when it is not in park. If anything, FCA probably should have put that in their software from the beginning.
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so here is my take on this, a lawsuit on this to me is absolutely frivolous. All it will accomplish is cost you and me more money the next time we buy an FCA product. I had to adapt and pay attention when I bought my MY15 GC and I did accidentally knock mine into neutral one time in traffic. I have also not gotten it all the way into park, but it beeps and has a red ring on my cluster telling me I have not shifted all the way into park.

Someone had said something about the euro car makers, they (audi, bmw, mini, etc) have a solution already in their software (idiot proofing?) . it either auto shifts into park or kicks the park brake on if you open the door when it is not in park. If anything, FCA probably should have put that in their software from the beginning.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

I agree this lawsuit will cost us the next time around if we stick with FCA products. I'm not going to speculate on the tragedy but will say that it is a shame for any loss of life under any circumstance and especially in the manner.

While I don't think the shifter in my 2015 was as intuitive as other vehicle I've owned and driven I really like it now that I'm used to it. Much like driving a manual for the first time, all it took was some extra attention and instruction on the test drive. It is up to the operator to know how to drive the vehicle and who buys a vehicle without a test drive? I mean you get to experience the shifter, controls and get a sense for what it is like to drive it during the test drive. If you elected to sign paperwork, you assume the responsibility. Nobody is forcing ownership on you. Rentals are a little more tricky but again you could always get a different vehicle if you're not comfortable.

I had the recall done and am happy I did. I've maintained my biggest concern was always family members or others not used to the shifter eho may need to drive it could be problematic. Nice to have the piece of mind at this point. Thankfully FCA has addresses the issue by means of recall and going to a different shifter in the '16s. That should count for something beyond admission of a problem.

This country is far too sue happy. The law firms get richer and the costs get passed on to the consumer going forward. Not to say all lawsuits are bad, but too many of them are far too aggregious for my liking.
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Re: Here come the shifter lawsuits

I have to agree that this is mainly a problem with people (hence the reason why they got to keep adding idiot proof items to cars (anti-lock brakes, lane departure, park assist, etc, etc)).

But I also feel that FCA is also to blame since this has been going on for some time now. I recently just got a notice in the mail about the problem and that they are working on a solution (I have the diesel power train so it is a bit behind). I suspect that this was in response due to the "high profile" death that occurred to make people aware. The point being is why didn't they send out this notice way back to make people aware of the possible dangerous situation? I guess it is a lesson learned to have it go into park automatically if the door is opened.

Yes some people are idiots, but in today's day and age you have to idiot proof everything. Granted no matter how idiot proof you will make it, they are always making a better idiot. lol

For reference here is the letter and placard I received (which is a sense is now placing the blame on the owner since they are now aware of the problem if they didn't hear about this in the news):

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I know I received a placard on how to operate transmission and recall notice before the death of the actor.


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VW just agreed to pay over 5 billion with a B. Estimates that customers with the diesel will receive between $1000.00 to $5000.00 each. The rest goes for government fines and lawyers fees. It was on the scrawl on Fox News last night.

And I am the proud owner of both VW TDI and JEEP GC. My wife has the 2014 TDI Beetle. It gets 40 mpg in Houston traffic and punches into traffic like a jack rabbit. Texas does not monitor emissions on diesel vehicles, at least not yet. I would keep the Beetle, but the risk of the state flagging these VINs in the future is too great to pass up the payment and buyback.

The average payment before buyback is $5K. Don't forget the 42 states that filed suit on VW split another $570M.

As far as my 2014 JGC Ecodiesel, the shifter is not that big of a deal, especially when explained and practiced. I'll keep it whether I let them fix it or not. I may not have a choice however.

I am at 52K+ miles and still on same Cat and SCR. It is still the best damn SUV I have ever owned. Nothing is perfect, especially in our global throw-away society.

I'm with the if ain't broke don't fix it crowd. I have never participated in a class-action suit; they are waste of time.
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