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Old 02-15-2014, 06:22 PM
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This thread is hilarious. If a new vehicle rolls on the transmission brake it is faulty. If you haven't seen the location and application method required for an export foot operated park brake please STFU.

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Old 02-15-2014, 07:13 PM
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This thread is hilarious. If a new vehicle rolls on the transmission brake it is faulty. If you haven't seen the location and application method required for an export foot operated park brake please STFU.

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So all of these manufacturers are just full of shit for telling us to use the parking brake? There is no such thing as a "transmission brake". Thats just a term you made up. If the manufacturer says "never park the vehicle without using the parking brake, otherwise the vehicle can move" and you park it without the parking brake and it moves, its your damn fault. Its right there in black and white, take a little personal responsibility.

Not saying Jeep's brake on RHD cars is easy to operate, I can't speak to that as my Jeep is LHD, I'm just saying it needs to be used every time you park. Jeep says it does in the manual, and everybody else says it does in their manuals too. Just because you want something to work a certain way or think it should doesn't change the FACT that it doesn't. Just because the pedal may be poorly designed doesn't mean you don't need to use it.

If you are parking ANY car without using the parking brake you're playing russian roulette.
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Actually this is hilarious. Whether it is faulty or not is not the main issue. The issue as I see it is...why on earth does ANYONE believe that ANY human engineered or built piece of machinery is perfect??? That it will never fail. That you should be able to ignore provided and simple backup safety mechanisms (e.g., the parking brake) and assume you're good to go?

Think about this...if the transmission parking pawl is so failproof in a "good" vehicle, why does EVERY vehicle have a parking brake? If the transmission park mechanism was meant to hold the vehicle stationary, and was perfectly capable of doing so with very little chance of failure, manufacturers wouldn't include a parking brake. Period. Why? Money...it would save them build and design costs. And yes, parking brakes are legislated equipment that must be provided...and part of the reason for that is nobody has adequately demonstrated that they are not needed.

Also, be aware that if your parking method results in injury, death, or destruction and you were not using the parking brake...don't count on the manufacturer taking ALL the blame. One of the first things that will come up in court will be whether the parking brake was engaged or not. I sat on a jury for just such a case and the fault was decided to be 50% manufacturer defect and 50% driver error as the parking brake was not engaged. In this particular case the vehicle rolled down a driveway and hit a neighbor and her car. The manufacturer was liable for 50% of the medical and damage bills. The owner of the vehicle that did not use the parking brake the other 50%. Keep that in mind.

Come on...if it's there, USE it. Don't wander around the world in a haze thinking nothing ever fails. That could be (and often is) a deadly assumption.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:27 PM
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

Right...whats the BFD? In all the situations described here, if the parking brake had been used as per the manufacturer's instructions nothing would have happened.

As a matter of pragmatism...why would you not use the parking brake as directed to ensure that your vehicle says put? If the thing rolls away and kills your child playing in the yard, are you going to feel better that you didn't use that parking brake "because the pedal design is annoying"?!?! Your kid might be dead, but at least you never had to put up with using that annoying pedal.

WTF is wrong with people?
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I was brought up believing the parking brake is to be used just for very steep hills. I just asked my dad last week if I should use the parking brake on flat ground and he said no, not at all. Everyone I know doesn't use a parking brake. It's how it's always been. I reject this myself for even a very slight grade and use the parking brake, but not on completely flat ground. Also, there is a problem with the Jeep if it failed to hold in park.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:39 PM
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

Your dad was wrong. Read the manual, the manual is very clear that you should always use the parking brake.

If someone bumps your jeep parked on flat ground, it can easily bump it off of the prawl and cause it to roll.
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Your dad was wrong. Read the manual, the manual is very clear that you should always use the parking brake.

If someone bumps your jeep parked on flat ground, it can easily bump it off of the prawl and cause it to roll.
Do you use the parking brake even in your garage?

Basically, I would ruin my parking brake driving off with it on which I've already done, if I put it on every time.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:14 PM
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

Yes. I use the parking brake in my own garage.

You get used to it, setting it and releasing it. My wife never did before she met me, and it's second nature to her now just like it always has been to me.
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

I can't disagree that using the parking brake is the right thing, or at least the safe thing, to do.

Like so many people here in the States it was not something I was brought up using, except on steep hills. IIRC, we never used it when switching drivers during drivers-ed class many years ago. When taking a driving test, you would automatically fail if you entered the vehicle from the driver's side, as the test started parked at the curb on a busy street. Nobody ever mentioned the parking brake.

I'm not defending ignoring the use of the parking brake. It's there for a reason. But reality is people (myself included) don't always take the safest path. I've even been known to drive faster than the posted speed limit. I'll bet that a least a few people who use the parking brake religiously have also exceeded the speed limit on occasion.

We all pick and choose to what extent we want to be safe. No need to be pointing fingers at those that don't choose the same as you.


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All well and good, but when your luck runs out...don't blame the vehicle because of something that happens because you decided not to follow the instructions for its use in the manual.
I agree with that 100%. Whether it's speeding, jumping a light, or not using the parking ... and a long, long list of other things, we should all accept responsibility for our own actions, or inactions.


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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

What is good practice and what is the law are two different things. The Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard in the US is clear: if the transmission has a PARK position, it must be able to keep the vehicle from moving more than 150mm (about 6 inches) on a 10% incline.

Years ago the parking brake on the Pontiac Fiero was subject to a recall because they were failing but it only affected manual transmissioned cars because in a automatic PARK was considered enough.

CJF has been playing fast and loose with the FMVSS relating to automagic transmission positions anyway see 571 Standard No. 102 and 114.
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