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Old 02-16-2014, 09:43 AM
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Spoken like a true politician.
LOL, huh?!? Politician?!?

Thinking that one should follow the manufacturer's instructions for using their product, and urging people to take responsibility for taking all reasonable steps to ensure their safety makes me a politician? To me this is simply common sense. If a politician spoke such common sense I'd vote for them today.

If you choose to ignore the manufacturer's instructions...then you take the risk upon yourself. Not using the parking brake every time you park is contrary to the manufacturer's instructions. Its like using a hair dryer in the bathtub and then saying it was the manufacturer's fault you got electrocuted. It says right on the ****ing tag not to do that!

Like Peter said, if you use the parking brake it doesn't matter if the parking prawl holds or not...you have removed the risk of it failing...regardless of the cause of that failure. Why would a reasonable person not seek to remove that risk themselves? Regardless of the motivation of the manufacturer for putting that in the manual...its good practice and should be adopted.

The argument that "we can't tell people what to do or judge what they do" is bullshit in this case. Its written right there in the manual! It says "WARNING! DO NOT SUBSTITUTE PARK FOR USING THE PARKING BRAKE EVERY TIME YOU PARK". How much clearer can it be?!?!

USE. THE. PARKING. BRAKE. You're sharing the world with other people, its simple, easy to do, will become a habit and it makes everybody safer.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:38 AM
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

Well I didn't want to say anything about it, but this is getting old fast. I know you are just concerned about everyone's safety, nothing wrong there. But you keep going on and on with the exact same arguement and just catching flack for it. You're starting to sound like a warning label on a cigarette carton. People see it over and over and will just ignore it. What I am only saying is its time to just worry about you and your family, you tried to look out for others and are just making yourself look like a troll. No matter how many times you say it, people are gonna do whatever anyways. No I am not defending them but it's their choice to make. And before you come at me let me just say I dont always use it but I will use it when I feel its necessary for it to be used.
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The manufacturer of the vehicle can! And they have.
Speaking of the manufacturer. You'd think they'd tell the dealer to apply the parking brake on the jeeps sitting on the lot... But how many cars have you ever seen on the lot with brake applied? If it's so enforced by the manufacturer, the one place they'd at least be using this parking brake would be the dealership. But they don't.

Personally I don't use the brake in my garage or Walmart parking lot. It's flat ground and the vehicle should not roll. It's in PARK. But if there is any incline to where it will roll and put pressure on the transmission, I do use the parking brake.
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:04 AM
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What I am only saying is its time to just worry about you and your family, you tried to look out for others and are just making yourself look like a troll.
I really don't care whether I look like a troll or not quite frankly. I'm not the only person posting from this position remember. As long as people continue to challenge what I'm saying I will continue to defend why I feel this way. Its important.

If someone chooses not to use it fine, but don't come in here crying because exactly what the manufacturer warned could happen if they didn't use the parking brake happened and trying to blame the manufacturer because you refused to follow their instructions for the safe operation of their product.

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Speaking of the manufacturer. You'd think they'd tell the dealer to apply the parking brake on the jeeps sitting on the lot... But how many cars have you ever seen on the lot with brake applied? If it's so enforced by the manufacturer, the one place they'd at least be using this parking brake would be the dealership. But they don't.
Thats entirely meaningless. Because others choose to be negligent and not follow the manufacturer's recommendations and use the secondary backup safety mechanism of the parking brake every time they park should have no bearing on your decision whether or not to use it.

Read your manual, its very clear. You've heard stories here of vehicles, including this vehicle specifically moving when in park without the brake applied. One of these stories involves the death of a 19 year old woman. Doesn't it make sense to use the parking brake now that you have knowledge of these instances?

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t's flat ground and the vehicle should not roll. It's in PARK. But if there is any incline to where it will roll and put pressure on the transmission, I do use the parking brake.
What if someone backs into it? That puts pressure on the transmission? I know a guy who's car got bumped into while it was parked on a flat parking lot, causing it to roll backwards where there was a hill and out into the street where it caused an accident. He watched the whole thing happen while inside a 7-11. He uses the parking brake every time now.
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

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The manufacturer of the vehicle can! And they have.
Then why in the other thread is the manufacturer trying to fix the problem?

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The dealership believed that there was an issue so Jeep agreed to install a limited slip differential vs the open wheel and then offered an extended warranty. just heard back Monday that due to my car being the v6, the limited slip is not compatible. so now waiting to hear back on what my options are...
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Then why in the other thread is the manufacturer trying to fix the problem?
I think it's great that the dealer is trying to make sure the vehicle is as safe as it can be. Their solution of installing an LSD to help the vehicle from moving in park makes zero sense and shows a lack of understanding of what an LSD is on their part... but hey an A for effort.

It doesn't change the fact that the manufacturer explicitly warns you in the manual that the vehicle should never be parked without the parking brake engaged or it could move. The smart thing to do is to use the parking brake. Read your manual.
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Why haven't automakers made the parking brake automatically apply when put in park? If it's a must to use the parking brake, what's the point in park vs neutral?

And I'm being serious, not stirring the pot. Is it just something that hasn't caught on? Or is there a reason? I'm not saying we are too lazy to do the second step. But if automakers really intent for the parking brake to be used EVERY TIME, and they have to ability to make it electronically engage, why haven't they done it?
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Why haven't automakers made the parking brake automatically apply when put in park? If it's a must to use the parking brake, what's the point in park vs neutral? And I'm being serious, not stirring the pot. Is it just something that hasn't caught on? Or is there a reason? I'm not saying we are too lazy to do the second step. But if automakers really intent for the parking brake to be used EVERY TIME, and they have to ability to make it electronically engage, why haven't they done it?
Actually that is a feature that's starting to show up in the form of electronic parking brakes that engage automatically when the park position is selected for the transmission.

The reason it has take this long for it to begin to catch on is simple: cost. Automakers have been getting more pressure to do this recently (because if these problems we are discussing) and with the recent "electronic doo-dad" craze have started adopting this as a "feature."
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Why haven't automakers made the parking brake automatically apply when put in park? If it's a must to use the parking brake, what's the point in park vs neutral?

And I'm being serious, not stirring the pot. Is it just something that hasn't caught on? Or is there a reason? I'm not saying we are too lazy to do the second step. But if automakers really intent for the parking brake to be used EVERY TIME, and they have to ability to make it electronically engage, why haven't they done it?
Some are. Electronic parking brakes often automatically apply and release, the one on my Lexus does.

More and more cars have electronic parking brakes...
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Some are. Electronic parking brakes often automatically apply and release, the one on my Lexus does. More and more cars have electronic parking brakes...
My VW has it. But are there cars that apply it automatically when put in park? I could be misunderstanding, do they automatically and I don't know it?
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

Yes, my Lexus automatically engages the parking brake when I put it in park, and automatically releases it when I move it out of park. Can't speak to your VW...

This is the control on my Lexus (same model, this is an internet photo)



The "AUTO" function sets and releases it.
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