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Old 02-16-2014, 04:08 PM
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...and yet that is clearly not Chrysler's reaction. Odd that you don't perceive any alternative conclusions that could be drawn about your position.
I personally think its great thats not Chrysler's reaction, it shows they care about making the car as safe as it can be...not all companies would be that way.

Doesn't change the fact that the manual says to use the parking brake every time you park and that its a good practice to get in the habit of doing.

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No, it doesn't. If I can't trust a vehicle's parking pawl then why can I trust the same vehicle's parking brake? You may be satisfied when one system masks the failure of another, but I am not... especially when the parking pawl failure is not evident to the user if the parking brake is in use and operating normally. This situation devolves to waiting for the parking brake to fail and the vehicle to roll away because it wasn't evident that the pawl was defective as well.
This is what you have to understand. The parking prawl has not necessarily "failed". If he puts it in park again, it may hold. For whatever reason that particular time it did not engage or the stresses on the vehicle were too great for it to hold the vehicle. Thats precisely why you need to use the parking brake for situations where that prawl may not engage or may not hold.

Using the parking brake doesn't hide failure of the parking prawl, it keeps that failure from occurring in the first place.

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your advocacy about the usage of the parking brake is orthogonal to the consideration of this vehicle's parking pawl's normal state of operation. Simply because the parking brake can usually hide the failure of the parking pawl does not make it acceptable when the pawl is defective, and it seems Chrysler shares this perspective.
Thats just the point...you cannot say the prawl is defective. It did not latch or hold in this specific instance...but it may do so for the rest of the vehicle's life. Its not designed to be used alone without the parking brake...on any vehicle. The fact that people have gotten away with using it along until all of a sudden their luck runs out is beside the point. People screw around for years and never get an STD, does that mean condoms aren't smart?

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I think it's more telling that you described your previous interactions about this issue on another forum as "a fight". You seem to have a tendency toward gleeful perseveration about tangentially-related topics.
I find this exchange entertaining yes...because your argument has no logic other than "this is what my daddy taught me and anything he says is how everything should work" in the face of a very calm and factual presentation by me and others why the parking brake should always be used. Your argument "I don't wanna use it and I shouldn't have to!" Its just ridiculous.

As for the "fight" on another forum, it never got to this point by a long shot. Somebody had their car hit on a flat lot and it rolled away. They of course blamed Lexus...a similar exchange occurred about the parking brake and the conversation fizzled out.

BTW, Lexus' response to him was "As per the manual you should use the parking brake whenever you park the vehicle. No repair necessary".

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Bull butter. I was able to replicate it four or five times.

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This is what you have to understand. The parking prawl has not necessarily "failed". If he puts it in park again, it may hold. For whatever reason that particular time it did not engage or the stresses on the vehicle were too great for it to hold the vehicle. Thats precisely why you need to use the parking brake for situations where that prawl may not engage or may not.

Thats just the point...you cannot say the prawl is defective. It did not latch or hold in this specific instance...but it may do so for the rest of the vehicle's life. Its not designed to be used alone without the parking brake...on any vehicle. The fact that people have gotten away with using it along until all of a sudden their luck runs out is beside the point. People screw around for years and never get an STD, does that mean condoms aren't smart?
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Bull butter. I was able to replicate it four or five times.
Then you should definitely take the Jeep to the dealer if its not going into park. Will it hold in park at all? The pawl may be broken.

BUT...that doesn't change the fact that you should still be using the parking brake when you park. Had you used the parking brake your Jeep would not have rolled down into the street.
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I think im gonna use the I G N O R E B U T T O N. All this guy is doing is taking the original poster's thread and turned it into a one way debate on parking brakes.
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I find this exchange entertaining yes...
Glad we could provide you with entertainment for a day or two. Keep on trollin' -- uh, I mean rollin'!
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Glad we could provide you with entertainment for a day or two.
Its much appreciated lol.

All kidding aside...its a serious issue...its not trolling. Hopefully somebody read this thread and it makes them decide to use the parking brake more often than they otherwise would. Had this guy used the parking brake...his Jeep would not have rolled into the street. Had the other poster's buddy used the parking brake...his girlfriend would be alive. If the guy I mentioned had used the parking brake his Lexus would not have rolled out into the street after it was backed into and caused an accident. Its not a joke...

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All this guy is doing is taking the original poster's thread and turned it into a one way debate on parking brakes.
It doesn't bother me in the slightest to be on your ignore list...but its certainly not a one way debate. Plenty of posters have been involved who have shared my viewpoint...perhaps not with as much zeal...but they are there nonetheless. Peter K, bill_de, SNUKE, hotspur, Milous, Roger Ramjet...

Its an important issue, and you don't have to read threads that contain content you don't want to read.
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

Yes, using a parking break is a wonderful idea, but I have never heard of a car rolling away when in park and not on a severe incline. While the parking prawl is a small piece, it holds other car, why not the JGC?
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A half hour after parking it, I looked outside and my 2014 JGC was in the road. It had rolled itself out into the street.

I suspected it slid on a slightly snowy drive but that's not what happened. Despite saying it was in park, it was not. I was able to replicate this several times. For now it's back in the driveway but with the parking brake fully engaged. Wow - that could have been bad.

Anybody else had this happen?
Let me return this thread back on track. The topic on hand here is not weather or not the parking brake was used. It is about the transmission failing to go into park when the vehicle says that it is. Sounds to me like its not the parking pawl that failed, but rather a failure for it to engage. To the OP-I am sorry your truck did this and I hope they find an answer soon. I will not badger you on the parking brake seeing as how I don't use it most of the time.

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With a grain of salt. Although it is a truly good idea to use the parking brake, on mild inclines the park position on your transmission should prevent vehicle movement.
While I do not use the parking brake most of the time, I do use it when parking on an incline. There for I am forced to agree with you on it being a good idea to use it.

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Why haven't automakers made the parking brake automatically apply when put in park? If it's a must to use the parking brake, what's the point in park vs neutral? And I'm being serious, not stirring the pot. Is it just something that hasn't caught on? Or is there a reason? I'm not saying we are too lazy to do the second step. But if automakers really intent for the parking brake to be used EVERY TIME, and they have to ability to make it electronically engage, why haven't they done it?
Plenty of cars automatically set the parking brake when the engine is shut off including the BMW X5 and X3.
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Plenty of cars automatically set the parking brake when the engine is shut off including the BMW X5 and X3.
It will be plenty when all cars do, not just two bmws.
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It will be plenty when all cars do, not just two bmws.
I guess you don't understand the meaning of the word "including". Every car with an electronic parking brake had this feature.
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