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Yes, using a parking break is a wonderful idea, but I have never heard of a car rolling away when in park and not on a severe incline. While the parking prawl is a small piece, it holds other car, why not the JGC?
The JGC clearly has some quality issues. Doesn't alter the fact that deliberately not applying the parking brake when parking is negligent and, in many jurisdictions, illegal.

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The JGC clearly has some quality issues. Doesn't alter the fact that deliberately not applying the parking brake when parking is negligent and, in many jurisdictions, illegal.
Where is it illegal, it sure is not illegal here in the states. What is illegal is going to a repair shop and having a faulty Parking brake and the shop not telling you about it. That's illegal.
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I guess you don't understand the meaning of the word "including". Every car with an electronic parking brake had this feature.
Not necessarily, just because you have a electronic parking brake does not mean that it automatically sets when off. JGC have it but it is not automatically applied when you shut it down.
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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

Well I got to thinking this afternoon, "I'm gonna go check out the manual again."

You know, the only printed one that actually is provided with the vehicle upon delivery. The "User Guide" designed to stay in the glove box? I didn't recall any emphasis on using the parking brake but wanted to check.

I'm still looking but so far, this is all I could find in the manual provided with my Jeep about using the transmission. No mention in two places titled "Operating Your Vehicle" about engaging the parking brake. It also does not say anything about disengaging the parking brake before shifting into reverse or drive.

In the section "Getting Started" in which they refer to "stopping," it says only to bring the vehicle to a stop, and then "place the shift lever in the PARK position," and then turn it off. Nothing about engaging the parking brake.

Before we again hear about the now-infamous "Page 445" of the owner's manual, I did actually download the PDF the day I bought it and also ordered the hard copies from Chrysler. I highly doubt most owners are that particular or bothered.

So if it is such a safe operating essential to use the parking brake, why is it not covered in the user guide provided upon delivery?

Again, I'm not suggesting I bear no responsibility for the safe operation of the vehicle. What I am suggesting is that Jeep does not emphasize that the parking brake is necessary for safe operation of the vehicle, as some posters have said is quite clear. The user guide certainly doesn't bear evidence of that.


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Re: Holy smacks! My JGC just moved itself out of the driveway

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Well I got to thinking this afternoon, "I'm gonna go check out the manual again."

You know, the only printed one that actually is provided with the vehicle upon delivery. The "User Guide" designed to stay in the glove box? I didn't recall any emphasis on using the parking brake but wanted to check.

I'm still looking but so far, this is all I could find in the manual provided with my Jeep about using the transmission. No mention in two places titled "Operating Your Vehicle" about engaging the parking brake. It also does not say anything about disengaging the parking brake before shifting into reverse or drive.

In the section "Getting Started" in which they refer to "stopping," it says only to bring the vehicle to a stop, and then "place the shift lever in the PARK position," and then turn it off. Nothing about engaging the parking brake.

Before we again hear about the now-infamous "Page 445" of the owner's manual, I did actually download the PDF the day I bought it and also ordered the hard copies from Chrysler. I highly doubt most owners are that particular or bothered.

So if it is such a safe operating essential to use the parking brake, why is it not covered in the user guide provided upon delivery?

Again, I'm not suggesting I bear no responsibility for the safe operation of the vehicle. What I am suggesting is that Jeep does not emphasize that the parking brake is necessary for safe operation of the vehicle, as some posters have said is quite clear. The user guide certainly doesn't bear evidence of that.


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That is really interesting. The warning is in the pdf manual, but the pdf manual is not provided to each purchaser. The warning is not in the printed user guide, which is provided. Hmmm!
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Well I got to thinking this afternoon, "I'm gonna go check out the manual again."

You know, the only printed one that actually is provided with the vehicle upon delivery. The "User Guide" designed to stay in the glove box? I didn't recall any emphasis on using the parking brake but wanted to check.

I'm still looking but so far, this is all I could find in the manual provided with my Jeep about using the transmission. No mention in two places titled "Operating Your Vehicle" about engaging the parking brake. It also does not say anything about disengaging the parking brake before shifting into reverse or drive.

In the section "Getting Started" in which they refer to "stopping," it says only to bring the vehicle to a stop, and then "place the shift lever in the PARK position," and then turn it off. Nothing about engaging the parking brake.

Before we again hear about the now-infamous "Page 445" of the owner's manual, I did actually download the PDF the day I bought it and also ordered the hard copies from Chrysler. I highly doubt most owners are that particular or bothered.

So if it is such a safe operating essential to use the parking brake, why is it not covered in the user guide provided upon delivery?

Again, I'm not suggesting I bear no responsibility for the safe operation of the vehicle. What I am suggesting is that Jeep does not emphasize that the parking brake is necessary for safe operation of the vehicle, as some posters have said is quite clear. The user guide certainly doesn't bear evidence of that.


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Well good, you brought hard evidence to the table on one point, but I think your thread gotten way off track due to a couple of individuals. I am more curious as to why it didn't go into park when the vehical says it is. that is more worrisome then "OMG he forgot to, like, put on his parking brake" attitude that some have taken here. is it a good idea to use it, sure why not but it is not a crime to not use it and therefore they are badgering you and us non parking brake users.

I hope a solution to the park issue is found and fast for the sake of jeep and its owners as well aas the safety of its customers.
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So if it is such a safe operating essential to use the parking brake, why is it not covered in the user guide provided upon delivery?
I think thats a big oversight on Chrysler's part...and probably why they are so accommodating when dealing with this issue vs Lexus in the situation I mentioned.

Jeep makes a much bigger deal in the actual manual about the parking brake than other manufacturers, the fact that they don't mention it in the quick start guide is very odd.

Don't get me started about how crappy it is Jeep doesn't provide an actual set of manuals for these cars with every unit.

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Where is it illegal, it sure is not illegal here in the states. What is illegal is going to a repair shop and having a faulty Parking brake and the shop not telling you about it. That's illegal.
It actually is illegal in a few states now. Info was posted earlier in the thread by someone else.

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http://jalopnik.com/texas-cop-issues...-kn-1441118853

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The local NBC station found out it's part of a 1995 Texas vehicle law that encompasses exactly what you're supposed to do if you leave your vehicle. In addition to obvious stuff like turning off the engine and removing the key (Do you want someone to steal your car?), the law also requires "setting the parking brake effectively."
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545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may not leave the vehicle unattended without:

stopping the engine;
locking the ignition;
removing the key from the ignition;
setting the parking brake effectively; and
if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to the curb or side of the highway.
Googling it brings up drivers handbooks online from every state, which say you need to always use the parking brake...but its not clear if its actually the law.

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JGC have it but it is not automatically applied when you shut it down.
What JGC has an electronic parking brake? Mine doesn't.
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It actually is illegal in a few states now. Info was posted earlier in the thread by someone else.
Well you have not answered my question, don't give me a run around answer that its in another thread without giving the name of it. so you seem to know so much on it so again, where is it illegal to not use the parking brake?

Again, you missed the issue in the thread. The issue is not weather or not the parking brake was used. The issue is why it rolled from park without being helped into rolling. I find it very odd that it rolled. do you not find it odd for a BRAND NEW CAR to roll from park when it clearly was placed in park? We get it, you want everyone to change and use it. that's fine, but don't troll the forums to get your point across. stop using the same old and tiring argument. you sound like a surgeon generals warning on cigarette cartons. Its advertised all the time that smoking causes cancer and its written on the package. but despite this, millions still smoke. You cannot force people to put on the brake because its not safe. people need to find out on their own. you made your point multiple times, just stop it and move on
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you say its in a few states, that article only mentioned texas. and you cant go off drivers handbooks, as some driving schools advise that you set it but is not law. I read somewhere they have electric park brakes on newer ones. my post above I posted as you posted, so ignore the first part
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I don't recall what state was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I don't think it was Texas (you can look, it's THIS thread) I did also say it was mentioned in other states drivers handbooks but that didn't necessarily mean it was the law.

You said it wasn't illegal here in the states, and I showed you that isn't the case in every state.

New JGCS do not have electronic parking brakes. Manual foot brakes.

As to your first post, I dont find it that odd really that it moved when in park no, I've read the same issue on other car forums before and know people it has happened to in reality, so it doesn't really surprise me no.

I'm not trolling the forums...but when I see wrong stuff posted I'm going to correct it. Lots of wrong in this thread.
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I don't recall what state was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I don't think it was Texas. I did also say it was mentioned in other states drivers handbooks but that didn't necessarily mean it was the law.

You said it wasn't illegal here in the states, and I showed you that isn't the case in every state.

New JGCS do not have electronic parking brakes. Manual foot brakes.

As to your first post, I dont find it that odd really that it moved when in park no, I've read the same issue on other car forums before and know people it has happened to in reality, so it doesn't really surprise me no.
Well I stand corrected on two points, but I did look at the article and it only mentioned texas. And it rolling only seems to be on the newer JGC's so I think there is a design flaw in it.
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Well I stand corrected on two points, but I did look at the article and it only mentioned texas. And it rolling only seems to be on the newer JGC's so I think there is a design flaw in it.
You may believe there is a design flaw, doesn't mean there is one.

Google "car rolls away in park" and see what you get. Lots of stuff across a wide variety of makes and models. It happens...that's why you need to use the parking brake.
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