How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee? - Page 10 - Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum

Go Back   Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum > Jeep Platform Discussion > Grand Cherokee - WK2 -

Join Jeep Garage Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
  #109  
Old 10-25-2015, 06:22 PM
billt's Avatar
Senior Member
My Jeep: 2015 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Glendale, Arizona
Posts: 1,296
Thanks: 305
Thanked 221 Times in 164 Posts
Rep Power: 1931
billt is on a distinguished road
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by padgett View Post
MDS is a kludge that tries to get more from an obsolete cam in block engine. Not a bad engine, just obsolete.
I wonder if NASCAR and the NHRA knows they've been running "obsolete" engines for the last 50 years?

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #110  
Old 11-02-2015, 11:26 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 307
Thanks: 2
Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts
Rep Power: 2107
comnjeep is on a distinguished road
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt View Post
I easily get the same doing the same. But if you're going to drive fast and hard, and tow and haul as well, your fuel mileage is going to be lousy, period. MDS works, and it works well, but if your foot is always in it, you might as well not have it because you'll receive no benefit from it.

Really? I can tell when my car is in MDS, and I can't tell it is any more efficient in any way, ever. I don't ALWAYS drive 85mph... But I do always pay attention to my car. Pretty much ALWAYS. I'm truly surprised to hear someone who seems to know stuff say MDS saves them gas. All I've read and observed is it is a marketing tool and that is my personal opinion, but I'm open... Can I just ask you to estimate what percent you think MDS can save compared to driving without it the same way in your experience? I'm not being cynical. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 11-03-2015, 05:34 AM
billt's Avatar
Senior Member
My Jeep: 2015 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Glendale, Arizona
Posts: 1,296
Thanks: 305
Thanked 221 Times in 164 Posts
Rep Power: 1931
billt is on a distinguished road
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by comnjeep View Post
Can I just ask you to estimate what percent you think MDS can save compared to driving without it the same way in your experience?
I'm averaging 18.0 MPG around town, taking it easy. For a big heavy SUV in the city that's not bad at all. Especially considering it's only got 1,300 miles on it. My 5.0 F-150 is lucky to get 13.0 MPG in the exact same driving conditions. That's 5 MPG better from a larger far more powerful V-8 engine. And there is no way I ever get into the 20-22 MPG range on the highway with that 5.0 Ford V-8. I expected far less from this new Jeep.
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 11-03-2015, 08:53 AM
f1anatic's Avatar
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,675
Thanks: 68
Thanked 184 Times in 137 Posts
Rep Power: 159925
f1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond repute
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt View Post
I wonder if NASCAR and the NHRA knows they've been running "obsolete" engines for the last 50 years?
The only answer to this is ABSOLUTELY !

You and I have tangled before, including in this thread. I suppose Formula One is something you have been blissfully unaware of. Not going to scrape my fingertips typing here about its technology. I learned that it is counterproductive. Just google the top speed reached at last week-end's Mexico GP and see where they would have qualified at indianapolis this yare
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 11-03-2015, 09:45 AM
billt's Avatar
Senior Member
My Jeep: 2015 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Glendale, Arizona
Posts: 1,296
Thanks: 305
Thanked 221 Times in 164 Posts
Rep Power: 1931
billt is on a distinguished road
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by f1anatic View Post
I suppose Formula One is something you have been blissfully unaware of.
I was watching F1 when Senna was a rookie. Most likely before you were born.
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 11-03-2015, 02:22 PM
f1anatic's Avatar
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,675
Thanks: 68
Thanked 184 Times in 137 Posts
Rep Power: 159925
f1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond repute
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt View Post
I was watching F1 when Senna was a rookie. Most likely before you were born.
Then let's call it the way it is: you are an impolite forum user who transcends into personal insults and / or ungentlemanly remarks when you encounter opposition to your ideas or view points. Nobody is seeking absolute harmony here, we can argue but there can be dissent without personal insults and references.

At least you've heard of Senna, even if you get your forum assessments wrong. In case you thought references to my age were warranted. Though, nobody familiar with that form of racing would even question the advances in engine technology. Which, by some extrapolation, render the Hemi 5.7 obsolete in light of a modern turbocharged engine.
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 11-03-2015, 02:30 PM
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2014 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,948
Thanks: 72
Thanked 264 Times in 236 Posts
Rep Power: 46200
lstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond repute
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt View Post
I wonder if NASCAR and the NHRA knows they've been running "obsolete" engines for the last 50 years?
I'd be even more surprised if they give a rat.

"Engine snobbery" has been around for as long as I can remember.
On the older European cars, it usually meant the owner was willing to pay for very
expensive repairs of basic engine parts when trying to use them on the wide open
western highways--where a much larger low tech engine running in a fairly unstressed
and relaxed mode would easily outlast them.

The Euro style engines have since benefited a boatload from materials science.
That same science applied to the big loafing engines would help, but that isn't where the trend appears to be going.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to lstowell For This Useful Post:
  #116  
Old 11-03-2015, 02:36 PM
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2014 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,948
Thanks: 72
Thanked 264 Times in 236 Posts
Rep Power: 46200
lstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond repute
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt View Post
I was watching F1 when Senna was a rookie. Most likely before you were born.
At least you didn't inform OP that Formula 1 is an artificially constrained set of limited
technologies intended mainly to enrich people like Bernie E.

Le Mans LMP is probably a better place to see what could be done with a bit of creativity and a lot less snobbery.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to lstowell For This Useful Post:
  #117  
Old 11-03-2015, 04:09 PM
billt's Avatar
Senior Member
My Jeep: 2015 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Glendale, Arizona
Posts: 1,296
Thanks: 305
Thanked 221 Times in 164 Posts
Rep Power: 1931
billt is on a distinguished road
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by lstowell View Post
At least you didn't inform OP that Formula 1 is an artificially constrained set of limited
technologies intended mainly to enrich people like Bernie E.

Le Mans LMP is probably a better place to see what could be done with a bit of creativity and a lot less snobbery.
I couldn't agree more. Formula 1, along with it's rule changes every 15 minutes, never ending grid penalties you can't keep track of, and as you mentioned, a tyrant of an owner, has regressed over the years. The lap times are slower everywhere, in spite of the equipment becoming even more sophisticated and expensive. And the racing on most of the circuits has become nothing more than a boring game of follow the leader. This in spite of such gimmickry as "DRS Zones", KERS, and all of the other nonsense they employ, in a half assed attempt to keep the fans awake. It's been turned into a rule and penalty saturated, high tech game being run in reverse.
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 11-03-2015, 04:25 PM
billt's Avatar
Senior Member
My Jeep: 2015 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Glendale, Arizona
Posts: 1,296
Thanks: 305
Thanked 221 Times in 164 Posts
Rep Power: 1931
billt is on a distinguished road
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by f1anatic View Post
Then let's call it the way it is: you are an impolite forum user who transcends into personal insults and / or ungentlemanly remarks when you encounter opposition to your ideas or view points. Nobody is seeking absolute harmony here, we can argue but there can be dissent without personal insults and references.

At least you've heard of Senna, even if you get your forum assessments wrong. In case you thought references to my age were warranted. Though, nobody familiar with that form of racing would even question the advances in engine technology. Which, by some extrapolation, render the Hemi 5.7 obsolete in light of a modern turbocharged engine.
I insulted no one. You insulted yourself. I don't think pointing out the fact that you are young is a personal insult. However it seems you do. NASCAR and the NHRA were running pushrod V-8's fifty years ago. And they'll be running them long after you have dissolved into dust. Technology that stands that long of a test of time is hardly, "obsolete". You are simply showcasing how little you know by suggesting otherwise.

Turbocharged engines are more complicated and expensive, and they don't possess the same longevity. This is proven by the fact you cannot get unlimited time and mileage warranties on them like you can the V-8's. What they do have is the ability to impress younger, more aggressive buyers. Most of which think that by purchasing them, it will somehow propel them into a more sophisticated class of owner. The reality is the impression doesn't last, or is it very effective.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to billt For This Useful Post:
  #119  
Old 11-03-2015, 05:49 PM
Jim_in_PA's Avatar
Super Moderator

My Jeep: 2012 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: SE PA (central Bucks County)
Posts: 4,299
Thanks: 779
Thanked 570 Times in 455 Posts
Rep Power: 96062
Jim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond reputeJim_in_PA has a reputation beyond repute
Garage
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Please stop the arguing. Reasoned debate is kewel. Unfriendly behavior is not.

Thanks in advance!

Jim
Forum Moderator
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 11-03-2015, 07:36 PM
f1anatic's Avatar
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,675
Thanks: 68
Thanked 184 Times in 137 Posts
Rep Power: 159925
f1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond reputef1anatic has a reputation beyond repute
Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Quote:
Originally Posted by billt View Post
I insulted no one. You insulted yourself. I don't think pointing out the fact that you are young is a personal insult.

Technology that stands that long of a test of time is hardly, "obsolete". You are simply showcasing how little you know by suggesting otherwise.

Turbocharged engines are more complicated and expensive, and they don't possess the same longevity. This is proven by the fact you cannot get unlimited time and mileage warranties on them like you can the V-8's. What they do have is the ability to impress younger, more aggressive buyers. Most of which think that by purchasing them, it will somehow propel them into a more sophisticated class of owner. The reality is the impression doesn't last, or is it very effective.
Sadly I am not that young and impressionable except by those who are anchored in the past and afraid of change or afraid to try for themselves. I would not say I was watching Senna when he was a rookie but I was surely watching Senna when he was winning his 2nd championship.

As for mixing politics with the sport it is sad and I agree to some extent with comments made about the state of F1. That being said, when you have a 1.6 L 4 cylinder hybrid engine achieving both high horsepower and fuel efficiency it certainly speaks about the advances in technology. The politics keep away certain manufacturers but they have relevance to consumers. Your Jeep and many road cars have technology from F1, from the multi-link suspension to the fast gear shifts in your transmission (DSG or not) to traction control.

V8 engines don't impress me unless they are modern. But overall, V8 engines represent the past. Just as the traditional desktop gave way to tablets (though there still is a role for them and I am using one right now) the V8 under the hood of the Jeep is a relic of a by-gone era. Loud. Inefficient. Obsolete. A little better than a steam engine but not leaving the same long-standing legacy.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
grand cherokee

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2019 Grand Wagoneer mattagrella 2019+ Grand Wagoneer-WS 50 11-14-2016 10:40 AM
JGC redesign moved possibly to 2019 dsi jeep Grand Cherokee - WK2 - 34 08-27-2015 11:04 AM
What grade of gas are you usin(g and do you feel the diff? OutlanderTT Engine Performance/Intakes/Exhausts 20 01-02-2013 01:08 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 - JeepGarage.Org
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Owners Community

JeepGarage.org is in no way associated with or endorsed by FCA US LLC. Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Mopar and SRT are registered trademarks of FCA US LLC.