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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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There is no extra maintenance with turbo engines. change the oil just like you would with an NA engine. Nothing different.
You aren't thinking long term... Turbos are maintenance items themselves...

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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Stupidity like this would not surprise me these days.

Turbos require premium gas and have higher maintenance needs. And while they may do okay with lighter weight vehicles, it is TORQUE that moves all vehicles, especially heavier ones. And tiny engines with a turbo bolted are lacking in that area.

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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

On a heavy pig like the GC, I wouldn't invest in a 2.0 engine. Throw a TT on a hemi and now your on to something.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Not a fan..
Fords eco boost is a joke, had an f150...fuel economy is only there if you drive like a granny...the second you step on the gas...bye bye mpg. Also the turbos require extra maintenance and get carbon build up.
This year they stepped down another notch and went to a 2.7 in a half ton truck. I test drove one and although drives good, mpg in real world is no better than the 5.0 v8
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

We have a saying in Australia (being Metric) that only Milk should come in 2 liters
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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Bullshit. The 3.0 V6 is a twin turbo. My 335i was a TT and so is my buddy's X5.

Started as a TT but then went to a single turbo. People love to buy the used TT 3 Series as they are a bit more tunable than the new single turbo inline 6's.


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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

3.0L V6 TT diesel. Right now, the 3.0L V6TurboDiesel is putting out 260HP and 420ft. lbs. Torque. With refinements, better exhaust systems, lighter manufacturing materials and even better aero dynamics, I don't think it's impossible to get 300HP 500ft. lbs Torque and 30 MPG out of the 3.0L Diesel. I think 3.0L V6 is Minimum displacement for this large of a vehicle. A 2.0L TT in a 5000LB + vehicle? I think it is insufficient.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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Stupidity like this would not surprise me these days.

Turbos require premium gas and have higher maintenance needs. And while they may do okay with lighter weight vehicles, it is TORQUE that moves all vehicles, especially heavier ones. And tiny engines with a turbo bolted are lacking in that area.

Your first sentence speaks of your last sentence. To politely put it, you are not well educated on turbos.

With 330 lb-ft at the wheels (which, with a 20-25% adjustment for drivetrain losses, translates to some 400 lb-ft at the crank) my tiny 2.5 L four cylinder SUBARU engine is enough to keep the mighty SRT 300 at bay. Yes on a long straight upwards of 100 mph the SRT will win but who cares. Apart from the drag strip no law abiding citizen does 100 mph anywhere else. And I have no turbo lag 2000-7000 rpm. At 115,000 miles the only added maintenance was synthetic oil changes every 3000 (s)miles.

So would a 4 banger twin turbo be a suitable entry engine for the Jeep? Absolutely for the current car, even better if the Jeep loses a few hundred pounds. Between the Pentastar and my EJ I would always choose the little SUBARU engine. Yes, premium fuel is needed for top performance but the engine can be detuned for 87 with a top end loss.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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Started as a TT but then went to a single turbo. People love to buy the used TT 3 Series as they are a bit more tunable than the new single turbo inline 6's.


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They went from twin turbo to dual scroll. A little misleading. I had a TT335 with a tune. Ran it at mid-tune with super and it hummed. In the time I had it it lost one turbo, 4 fuel pumps, trans seal for the electronics pkg, door latch and a few other things that were very minor. Got rid of it right when the extended warranty ended. GREAT car, spent more time in the shop and cost more to repair than any Jeep I have ever owned.

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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

I'm old school... there's no substitute for cubic inches.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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Your first sentence speaks of your last sentence. To politely put it, you are not well educated on turbos.

With 330 lb-ft at the wheels (which, with a 20-25% adjustment for drivetrain losses, translates to some 400 lb-ft at the crank) my tiny 2.5 L four cylinder SUBARU engine is enough to keep the mighty SRT 300 at bay. Yes on a long straight upwards of 100 mph the SRT will win but who cares. Apart from the drag strip no law abiding citizen does 100 mph anywhere else. And I have no turbo lag 2000-7000 rpm. At 115,000 miles the only added maintenance was synthetic oil changes every 3000 (s)miles.

So would a 4 banger twin turbo be a suitable entry engine for the Jeep? Absolutely for the current car, even better if the Jeep loses a few hundred pounds. Between the Pentastar and my EJ I would always choose the little SUBARU engine. Yes, premium fuel is needed for top performance but the engine can be detuned for 87 with a top end loss.
You lost all credibility talking about reliability of turbo engines and then citing a Subaru EJ25. To call someone out on not being educated on turbos, then make that statement? Jeez...

Torque is higher up on a turbo charged vehicle, its just a fact of life. Yes a vehicle can be de-tuned to run regular, and in doing so significant performance is lost. Some of us want simplicity, lower end torque, and don't want to mess with tunes, premium fuel, or the possibility of added maintenance.

I use my Grand Cherokee as a daily driver and a tow vehicle for a boat, not trying to keep might SRTs at bay. I would have never bought a turbo charged GC, and I own a 2005 Mitsu Evo (from new) that has never had a single issue other than oil changes. I've been around Ecoboost engines, I have talked to owners, Da Jeeper's post was identical to what I have heard. The simplicity and acceptable performance (when coupled with the 8 speed) of the Pentastar allowed me to consider and ultimately forgo the Hemi, I would not have done the same with a turbo four or turbo v-6.

All that being said, should Jeep do a TT engine? I feel many of the car buying public are near sighted when it comes to mpg, and will buy anything if it offers better fuel economy. So maybe Jeep can sell more GCs with a TT four, as long as they continue to offer the V6 and hopefully the V8, I have no real issue with the added engine. My fear is the v8 goes away, and the V6 soldiers on as a rare "customer order" option. (V8s are scarce on Jeep lots around here)
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