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Well why don't you educate me and enhance your credibility then ?

Where's the issue with Subaru turbo engine reliability ? With one brief exception in early 2008 when FHI messed up, where's the problem? I rarely see any EVOs on the road today but there are plenty of old Subies around. All that reliability must not have all been in the iron block...
I won't even bother "educating" someone who is going to question the reliability of the 4g63 in the evos. Are you being serious right now?

The absolute best part of your response; you don't even bother to address the issues I commented on that relate to a possible turbo Gc. (owners don't want to have to tune for regular gas, loss of power with that tune, added complexity of a turbo charged system, low end torque, eco boost not being all its cracked up to be, just to review) You do however spend the time defending your brand of cars when in the reply you even admit there were issues in 2008. If you want to debate subie vs mitsu, go waste your time over at nasioc or evom. This is a jeep website.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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Well why don't you educate me and enhance your credibility then ?

Where's the issue with Subaru turbo engine reliability ? With one brief exception in early 2008 when FHI messed up, where's the problem? I rarely see any EVOs on the road today but there are plenty of old Subies around. All that reliability must not have all been in the iron block...
The Subaru EJ25 has historically had extremely high % of head gasket failures due to lack of cooling around the external corners of the cylinder head. It's also a garbage motor if you ask me personally I've built one up one pushing over 650hp and it was still a hog. I don't see how anyone can praise that motor it's probably one of the worst examples of efficient turbo designs out there.
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Old 09-22-2015, 07:57 AM
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Anyway, what I would really love to see is a pentastar with two more cylinders. They make more hp per cubic inch than a hemi does.
By my armchair math, the 3.6 makes 1.306HP per cubic inch. So, tacking on another two cylinders would bring the cubic inches up to 296 c.i.
296x1.306 = 387HP. Making more HP than the 345c.i. 5.7 hemi at @ 50 less cubes.
Even the mighty 392 only generates 1.21HP per c.i.

EDIT: Seeing the touchy nature of some posters here, I suppose I should add a disclaimer that YES, I do know HP per c.i. gains may not be linear.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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it will also be the base engine for the challenger, charger, 300 and others. Some are saying it will get 37 mpgs in the challenger.

Looks like the Pentastar will be the new Hemi when they decide to introduce the 2L turbo.


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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

I don't care, as i wont be getting a base engine.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

Errr you must be arguing in the wrong forum. Nobody questioned the reliability of the EVO engine, and you started with the superior attitude of trying to educate me of the virtues of your 2005 EVO compared to the lowly Subaru.

There are no major complexities of the turbo engine that cannot be addressed by solid engineering. The same challenges with premium vs. regular gas have already been addressed years ago. Ecoboost engines don't need premium.

Torque? What are you on about? Lots of torque and no turbo lag on my SUBARU. Incidentally i achieve that with a TD04-16G. You should know since you allege to have an EVO. These days they make both twin turbo and twin scroll turbos, mix in direct injection, there are absolutely zero reasons to fear lag and lack of torque.

You should re-read your response and see if your written reactions and implicit emotional outburst is justified.

Any perceived reliability issues with cylinder heads are limited to those people who don't know when to stop when modifying the car. Nobody can expect zero mechanical failures when going from 16 psi stock to 22-24, water or methanol injection or not. 650 horsepower, built engine, ha ha ha if the engine was so bad why did you do it? I always love to read comments from former SUBARU or Mitsubishi owners or any owners of considerably fancier cars who forget their humbler beginnings.

At the end of the day, the EJ25x is more performant than the Pentastar.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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Errr you must be arguing in the wrong forum. Nobody questioned the reliability of the EVO engine, and you started with the superior attitude of trying to educate me of the virtues of your 2005 EVO compared to the lowly Subaru.

There are no major complexities of the turbo engine that cannot be addressed by solid engineering. The same challenges with premium vs. regular gas have already been addressed years ago. Ecoboost engines don't need premium.

Torque? What are you on about? Lots of torque and no turbo lag on my SUBARU. You should know since you allege to have an EVO. These days they make both twin turbo and twin scroll turbos, mix in direct injection, there are absolutely zero reasons to fear lag and lack of torque.

You should re-read your response and see if your written reactions and implicit emotional outburst is justified.
While they have done a lot to combat turbo lag on the latest iteration it still exists maybe you just got used to it.
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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Errr you must be arguing in the wrong forum. Nobody questioned the reliability of the EVO engine, and you started with the superior attitude of trying to educate me of the virtues of your 2005 EVO compared to the lowly Subaru.

There are no major complexities of the turbo engine that cannot be addressed by solid engineering. The same challenges with premium vs. regular gas have already been addressed years ago. Ecoboost engines don't need premium.

Torque? What are you on about? Lots of torque and no turbo lag on my SUBARU. Incidentally i achieve that with a TD04-16G. You should know since you allege to have an EVO. These days they make both twin turbo and twin scroll turbos, mix in direct injection, there are absolutely zero reasons to fear lag and lack of torque.

You should re-read your response and see if your written reactions and implicit emotional outburst is justified.

Any perceived reliability issues with cylinder heads are limited to those people who don't know when to stop when modifying the car. Nobody can expect zero mechanical failures when going from 16 psi stock to 22-24, water or methanol injection or not. 650 horsepower, built engine, ha ha ha if the engine was so bad why did you do it? I always love to read comments from former SUBARU or Mitsubishi owners or any owners of considerably fancier cars who forget their humbler beginnings.

At the end of the day, the EJ25x is more performant than the Pentastar.
Clearly, we aren't going to agree. Why that requires all the passive aggressive comments, including "allegedly owning an Evo," is beyond me. Your passion for Subarus is admirable, but inferring my response was both emotional and an outburst is laughable.

Best of luck with over-reacting to forum posts. As a bonus I have including a picture of my Jeep in front of my garage, where my Evo is stored. I didn't want you to fret too much about me possibly not owning one...
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Best of luck with over-reacting to forum posts. As a bonus I have including a picture of my Jeep in front of my garage, where my Evo is stored. I didn't want you to fret too much about me possibly not owning one...
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Re: How do you feel about a 2.0L TT as the base engine for the 2019 WL Grand Cherokee

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Clearly, we aren't going to agree. Why that requires all the passive aggressive comments, including "allegedly owning an Evo," is beyond me. Your passion for Subarus is admirable, but inferring my response was both emotional and an outburst is laughable.

Best of luck with over-reacting to forum posts. As a bonus I have including a picture of my Jeep in front of my garage, where my Evo is stored. I didn't want you to fret too much about me possibly not owning one...
Damn it man, I wasn't going to sleep all night thinking about your Evo ! Such a bummer. Now I might just have to sleep...though I admit that blue color kind of bugs me. Oh well...


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The new 2016 Volvo XC90 comes 2 liter 4 cylinder only.
T6 is supercharged and turbo charged with 316 hp, 295 lb-ft.
The T8 adds an electric motor producing 400 hp, 472 lb-ft.


I'm considering this as a replacement of the GC.


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