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.......But 200k drive warranty and it is a more luxury vehicle anyway - plus maintenance is much cheaper.
If that warranty encompasses everything, (batteries, electric drive motors, etc.), it could possibly be worth it. $120K should at least buy you that much. I have no idea what a battery replacement would cost on a vehicle like that. But I've heard around $5K to replace the batteries on a Prius, which is a hybrid. A vehicle like this would undoubtedly be much higher.

I'm assuming you live in an area of the country where the car will last 200,000 miles. And weather, road salt, and the elements won't destroy it before you can reach that mileage.

I have no idea what the electricity costs to charge one of these things, but it must be cheaper than gasoline to drive the same amount. The only draw back is charging time on the road, along with the ability to charge it on the go. I've never seen, or even heard of a "recharge station" for electric cars. At least not yet. In another decade.... Possibly. Can you recharge them off a standard 110 Volt outlet, or does it require some type of special transformer?
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$2.10, 91 octane @ Shell in Farmington, NM
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Choosing an electric vehicle like the Tesla isn't really about "saving money on gas". It's a paradigm shift and only the bleeding edge of it. Personally, I'd own and drive one in a heartbeat. (if I hit the lottery or something) A friend/coworker recently got one and it's darn sweet. I see several on the road around here weekly. But I'm not in the financial position to acquire bleeding edge technology right now...

I'm heading to NJ later this afternoon to fill my tank prior to our coming winter storm. Gasbuddy reports that the price will be $1.63...
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$1.36 here in Lafayette, IN
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Choosing an electric vehicle like the Tesla isn't really about "saving money on gas"....
You make a good point. Electric vehicles are not about "saving" anything. At least not yet. And certainly not the planet. If I've learned anything through the years, it's never to be the "first on the block" to own any type of new technology. And in spite of what some might think, electric cars are still very much "new technology". This is well proven by their cost, along with all of the problems. (The flaming Chevy "Volt" being one of many). I also seem to remember fires on Boeing 787 Dreamliners associated with overheating Lithium based batteries that grounded the entire fleet. The battery technology for these things has a long way to go.

Those of us who are old enough, all remember the $1,200.00 Sony Betamax VCR's. The $1,500.00 microwave ovens, the $2,500.00 Apple II E "computers", and even the $150.00 Transistor Radios. Nothing gets cheaper faster than new technology. Just look at how cheap flat screen TV's have gotten in the last couple of years. Electric cars are going to become more popular as time passes. And they will also become much cheaper and BETTER. The manufacturers of these things know too well the only way they'll be really profitable, is if the masses can afford and accept them. Appealing to a well to do "niche market" won't sustain electric cars over the long haul. At least not the market most promoters of these things envision.

Another falsehood with electric vehicles is the whole "green factor" associated with their ownership. While many think they reduce "carbon footprints", it just isn't true. The electricity required to constantly charge and recharge the batteries is produced by mostly fossil fuel burning power plants that have a very large "carbon footprint". Electric cars in every garage will only serve to increase that substantially.

And while hybrids like the Toyota Prius have done well in sales, pure electric vehicles have a lot of hurdles to get over before they attain mass public acceptance and affordability. Especially in a horrible economy where disposable income has been shrinking for the last 7 years.
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Re: How much are you paying at the pump to fill up?

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Choosing an electric vehicle like the Tesla isn't really about "saving money on gas". It's a paradigm shift and only the bleeding edge of it. Personally, I'd own and drive one in a heartbeat. (if I hit the lottery or something) A friend/coworker recently got one and it's darn sweet. I see several on the road around here weekly. But I'm not in the financial position to acquire bleeding edge technology right now...

I'm heading to NJ later this afternoon to fill my tank prior to our coming winter storm. Gasbuddy reports that the price will be $1.63...
I generally agree with this, though the "gas factor" depends on the price of gas and how much you drive. Back when gas was expensive, I was spending $500-700/month on gas. Add that to the car payment, you basically have that Tesla. Now, of course, that isn't the case. Ultimately, the question is if/when that will become the case again.

The other thing to keep in mind is the question of what the comparable is. If you say "this Tesla is basically a $40-50k 3 series that they're selling for $120k" then that represents a significant mark-up you're paying just for the "bleeding edge" technology. But if you say "this is basically equivalent to a Porsche Panamera Turbo S @ $180k" then suddenly it is a reasonable choice right now. I would actually argue the latter for a number of reasons, including performance (it is actually faster than that Panamera Turbo S), self-driving technology, etc.
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If that warranty encompasses everything, (batteries, electric drive motors, etc.), it could possibly be worth it. $120K should at least buy you that much. I have no idea what a battery replacement would cost on a vehicle like that. But I've heard around $5K to replace the batteries on a Prius, which is a hybrid. A vehicle like this would undoubtedly be much higher.

I'm assuming you live in an area of the country where the car will last 200,000 miles. And weather, road salt, and the elements won't destroy it before you can reach that mileage.

I have no idea what the electricity costs to charge one of these things, but it must be cheaper than gasoline to drive the same amount. The only draw back is charging time on the road, along with the ability to charge it on the go. I've never seen, or even heard of a "recharge station" for electric cars. At least not yet. In another decade.... Possibly. Can you recharge them off a standard 110 Volt outlet, or does it require some type of special transformer?
The 200k mile warranty is equivalent to powertrain, from what I can tell. Basically, for the Tesla the drive units. If your heated seats fail you're on your own (which isn't a small consideration). The battery is covered for 8 years unlimited miles, which for me is more than 200k miles. After that, cost to replace will be like $20k, but on the bright side batteries should become cheaper/better, so upgrading may be possible for that price.

The charging stations are interesting and I've seen a few. The "official" Tesla ones that are free are strategically placed, usually near major highways. My closest one is also near some mall where you can hang out. In addition, there are a bunch of non-official Tesla stations (see PlugShare - EV Charging Station Map - Find a place to charge your car!) - but those cost varying amounts of money from "free if you park here" to "pretty expensive" (though the latter is still cheap by gas price standards, even with current cheap prices).
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$1.41 per gallon at Local Costco
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I generally agree with this, though the "gas factor" depends on the price of gas and how much you drive. Back when gas was expensive, I was spending $500-700/month on gas. Add that to the car payment, you basically have that Tesla. Now, of course, that isn't the case. Ultimately, the question is if/when that will become the case again.

Ultimately, the question is - How much do you want to spend to 'drive'? It's either going to be on gas or on a more expensive electric car such as a Tesla.

My real question is, what really screws with budgeting for me, is how much more my electricity bill will go up from charging the Tesla at night in my garage? It's easy to budget a gas car. Car + Gas. But Tesla + Electricity is a bit more difficult. And how often would your realistically be able to stop and use a supercharger? Didn't Tesla send out letters to their owners about not using the public charge stations as often?.. There's another issue I have... Although I know in my area, there's never anyone using the charge station. It's Farmington, New Mexico. Lol nobody here has a tesla
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