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Re: How much does it cost to build a jgc?

I'll um, just keep my mouth shut.

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Re: How much does it cost to build a jgc?

Sooooo I'm too young to understand all of this union stuff.

Did we come with a answer to the OP's question?
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Re: How much does it cost to build a jgc?

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That's total nonsense. I lived and worked in both Illinois and Arizona. My job here in Arizona paid better, and with better benefits, than any job I had in Illinois. And I never belonged to a union in my life. Not only that, but the cost of living is less than half. I never could have afforded to retire early there. Here, no problem.

Unions bust companies. Pure and simple. And they inflate the economy to ridiculous levels over time.... Until they collapse. Just look at the large aircraft industry in southern California. No one is building aircraft in southern California anymore. The last was Boeing's C-17 program that is no longer. It's workers were all dumped on the street. They were so overpaid Boeing could no longer afford to move them elsewhere. They simply weren't worth it. They priced themselves out of the market. Now they're fleeing southern California in droves.

If you want a good example of what unions do long term, drive through Detroit. Democrats and big labor unions ran that town right into the ground. They've all moved out, leaving behind a cesspool of $h!t in their wake. Much the same with northern Indiana. After the unions busted out all of the steel mills there, everyone left. In it's wake there is nothing left but crime, gangs, drugs and crack houses. You want to destroy a city? All you have to do is introduce Democrats and labor unions into it, then sit back and watch.

You'll have yet another example in southern California in just a few years. No jobs to support an insanely overpriced real estate market, that is full of 65 year old, $650,000 houses with 1,200 sq. ft. that no one can afford. Big labor unions have been played out. Belong to one and you'll wind up being the highest paid unemployed worker in no time. You used to see the Democrats play hard for their vote. Now, much like the unions, it's all but meaningless. Good riddance.
Billt, we do have at least one person on this forum that works at JNAP. He does care, he takes a lot of pride in what he helps build for us and he does participate in this forum. In all fairness to him and what he contributes... let's get off this subject, ok?

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It's not as simple as you're trying to make it out to be. How was the economy doing when that happened? If people could no longer afford their mortgage they certainly couldn't afford to buy new cars, no matter what the automakers charged for them.
That's exactly my point. The automakers cannot charge whatever they want to maintain profits. When the economy slows and people stop buying cars they have to drop prices and add rebate to move the product sometimes at a loss. The market dictates all of that .
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I think its funny you mention Boeing because that is a big Union company that is doing great.
Sure the company is........ For now. Just not the workers. There were 35,000 of them working at Long Beach just a decade ago. Now they're on the street. Many near retirement with no, or reduced pensions, along with no medical. How "great" do you think they're doing? The question you should be asking yourself is, what the hell good is it to have a great company, if you no longer work for it? And they did it to themselves.

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Billt, we do have at least one person on this forum that works at JNAP.
I don't do abbreviations. What is "JNAP"?
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I don't do abbreviations. What is "JNAP"?
Jefferson North where our JGCs are all built. And I agree with 'Bones...let's move on from the union discussion. Please.
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