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Old 12-10-2010, 08:49 AM
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Re: How to secure my WK2 from thieves

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This is pretty much the only thing you can do for somebody who seriously wants your vehicle.

There just aren't that many "professional" car thieves out there. For a mass produced vehicle there's just no margin in it aside from parting it out (and even then it's just not going to happen for the WK2... too new). Nobody wants to buy a stolen car that can't be licensed and required elaborate measures to circumvent the ignition code system. Too much trouble, not enough payoff.

Which pretty much leaves us with the usual thugs and joyriders. For them, just secure the vehicle by rolling up windows, locking it, and taking the keys. If you have a garage, use it for your cars and not for boxes.

The supply of thieves capable of taking a WK2 is pretty small, and they aren't going to be looking for these things. If you have to go to the same amount of trouble, may as well try to steal a Mercedes or something like that. If they just want a joyride, easier to rip off an older vehicle.

For that one in a million incident, that's why we have insurance. I'd be pissed, I'd be angry, I'd be mad I had to get another iPod (about the only thing of value in mine aside from the vehicle itself), but the local dealer would be happy to sell me another one. Worst case, I'd have to drive my truck until the new one came in.
I agree with most of what you said.... and I blame the fact that it's so hard to steal a car on the increase in carjackings. Think about it--these angry car thieves can't easily steal a modern vehicle so they say screw it and just stick a gun or knife in your face and tell you to hand over the keys or get out of your already-running vehicle.

The only thing I disagree with is your "steal a Mercedes" comment. Common cars bring in more money to car thieves than anything else. It's the parts that are valuable. And the Grand Cherokee is very common, so it should have a fairly high demand for its parts on the black market. If someone is REALLY concerned about not getting his vehicle stolen, the best bet is to choose a car that just isn't very popular with the general motoring public.
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A competent vehicle system has a rolling code system- it's nothing new, garage door openers have been doing it for years. Recording the code used to lock the vehicle won't get it started. All they'd have is access to the interior, where they can only steal what is left inside. Even then, people just standing around inside a 30 foot circle are pretty obvious; I'd worry more about them preparing for some rubber hose cryptanalysis over them using technological gizmos to steal iPods (when a hammer would get them inside ANY vehicle).
This may be true, and I'm not familiar with Chryslers ecm or programing. I am however familiar with late model GM ecm programing. Once inside the vehicle you need nothing more than a laptop with either HP Tuners or EFI live software. This allows you to plug into the OBD port and the software enables you to delete or disable VATS (vehicle anti theft system) within the pcm. It will also allow you to delete or manipulate any code within the PCM.

I know this from building older (60's) cars with late model GM LS power plants while retaining the factory EFI. We use a laptop and these software programs to custom taylor a factory GM PCM to our needs.

If the chrysler system is similar, once in the vehicle a person would appear to be sitting there working on a laptop. No wire cutting, breaking of items or anything to draw attention. So if the thiefs in the area the poster was speaking of have found a device to enter the vehicle, I would assume they were savy enough to work the PCM and start the vehicle via a laptop and OBD connector.
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Re: How to secure my WK2 from thieves

Don't they mostly just tow or flat-bed the vehicle away these days -- that is if they want the vehicle and not the contents?
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Re: How to secure my WK2 from thieves

i had a cat 325 excavator taken from a job site. the thiefs showed up with a low-boy and everything and just took it, witnesses say. if you look official like you know what youre doing and you're allowed to be doing it, nobody will ask.
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The only thing I disagree with is your "steal a Mercedes" comment. Common cars bring in more money to car thieves than anything else. It's the parts that are valuable. And the Grand Cherokee is very common, so it should have a fairly high demand for its parts on the black market. If someone is REALLY concerned about not getting his vehicle stolen, the best bet is to choose a car that just isn't very popular with the general motoring public.
The WK2 is still new, and there aren't many out there. That limits parts demand. Even then, I doubt they'll sell a few million of them (like an Accord or Camry). If they only want parts, they'll tow it away. No need to start it when it won't be used as a vehicle. There's exactly bugger-all an owner can do about that short of barbed wire- even if you park inside a secured garage, you still drive it somewhere.

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i had a cat 325 excavator taken from a job site. the thiefs showed up with a low-boy and everything and just took it, witnesses say. if you look official like you know what youre doing and you're allowed to be doing it, nobody will ask.
My sister works for John Deere and tells me that all the JD construction equipment uses the same key. Get your hands on a key, and you can rip off everything from an excavator to a bulldozer.
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My sister works for John Deere and tells me that all the JD construction equipment uses the same key. Get your hands on a key, and you can rip off everything from an excavator to a bulldozer.
This stands true for all heavy equipment brands. I had a 953 Cat loader stolen off of the job while we were gone to lunch. Like I said, if they want it they "will" get it. Funny thing is a few months later someone came on my job site and stole the vin tags on two Cats but nothing else, just the ID tags. Reported all of it but nothing ever found. How is it impossible to find a stolen Caterpillar when it's reported within 30 minutes max? Those things don't move fast even on a lowboy in downtown traffic.
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The WK2 is still new, and there aren't many out there. That limits parts demand. Even then, I doubt they'll sell a few million of them (like an Accord or Camry).
The Grand Cherokee has always been one of the most popular SUVs on the planet. If history is any indication, the WK2 will continue the trend and there will be more of them on the roads that most other similar vehicles. There will be considerable parts demand as time passes due to its popularity. Trust me....
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