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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

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Actually I don't think that's true. Off-Road Adventure 1 is QT2 and you get the badge.
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Don't all Diesel's come with QD? I know that here they do.
Nope. 2015 Overland Diesel here - I have OR1 and have the QT2 to my surprise. I figured they did as well, but QD2 is an option for those with OR1 but not OR2, which includes the QD2 and skid plates.

I wish I had QD2 but QT2 seems to have done a well enough job after this last northern winter's test run. We'll see how she wheels out near MOAB this summer.

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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

Strange that they differ on the option, see, I have QDII and no skid plates...go figure...
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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

Its very possible something is wrong with the Jeep in question but I doubt it. If all 4 of his tires are on ice, guessing because nobody can see the other side, it could very well be stuck. That doesn't make it a bad product. The Jeep will think nothing is wrong if all 4 tires are spinning on ice even with no forward or backwards movement. The QD needs different wheel speed to know there is an issue.
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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

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Actually I don't think that's true. Off-Road Adventure 1 is QT2 and you get the badge.

The Jeep in the video does NOT have a trail rated badge, but is a Limited Diesel - so it has to be a QT2 not QD2 - correct?




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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

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The Jeep in the video does NOT have a trail rated badge, but is a Limited Diesel - so it has to be a QT2 not QD2 - correct?

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Whether it has QD2 or not, the QD2 itself doesn't make the GC trail-rated. What makes a GC trail-rated is simply 18" wheels, tow-hooks and skid plates. Maybe the badge fell off. It looks like he has front tow hooks.
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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

i blame the driver solely for this. look carefully at his wheels and you see he is trying to back up and not go forwards.

my 2WD can get thru michigan's winter weather just fine on street tires, so this guy shouldnt have much of an issue at all
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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

I still say it's the Achilles heel of the GC, the stock tires. It shouldn't take an off-road course or a snow driving certificate to know how to drive on snow.
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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

f1anatic, the only reason the Jeep in your last videos stops the spinning wheel is because the wheel on the OTHER side is NOT spinning. If all 4 wheels are spinning, the TC will NOT do anything about it and you'll just sit there and spin all 4 wheels. I do not believe the guy in the original video had ANY problem other than traction. He simply had summer tires on snow (ice by the time he got his camera out), all 4 of which were spinning. Not a 4WD system issue, simply a traction issue. The best 4WD system in the world will do absolutely nothing if you have no traction under any wheel.

Now I'm making assumptions here too just to play devil's advocate. Truth is that unless you can see what ALL FOUR WHEELS are doing, it's VERY difficult to judge an AWD system.
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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

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I still say it's the Achilles heel of the GC, the stock tires. It shouldn't take an off-road course or a snow driving certificate to know how to drive on snow.
I agree, but at the same time I do not blame Jeep. Most folks don't take their rigs off-road. If Jeep were to outfit all new JGCs with AT tires it would only end up bumping the purchase price a little higher, test drives would be a little louder and who knows how many lost sales would be attributable to that, and it would only help maybe 25% of their buyers. From a cost and probability perspective I wouldn't do it if I were Jeep.

Those of us who need the traction will either swap out the tires, or if you're frugal and can live well enough with them like me, you live with the stock tires until they wear out.

I've been able to do enough with the OEM Forteras, so far.

Besides, Mr. and Mrs. Idiots-in-the-Video could get unstuck and climb that lip even with the lame tires. Their technique is what sucked. I think they did it on purpose to try and make Jeep look bad - just my wild guess as to their motive.
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Whether it has QD2 or not, the QD2 itself doesn't make the GC trail-rated.
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Re: "I don't know how to drive in snow/ice, so I blame my GC" Part Deux

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I agree, but at the same time I do not blame Jeep. Most folks don't take their rigs off-road. If Jeep were to outfit all new JGCs with AT tires it would only end up bumping the purchase price a little higher, test drives would be a little louder and who knows how many lost sales would be attributable to that, and it would only help maybe 25% of their buyers. From a cost and probability perspective I wouldn't do it if I were Jeep.
I'm willing to bet that the primary reason that Jeep choose the factory tires was for better gas mileage in an effort to meet US fleet fuel economy rules. The factory tires have a low rolling resistance rating.

Manufacturers are working hard to eek out as much fuel economy as possible. It's one of the reasons why the 8-speed transmission was used in the Jeep.

I replaced the factory tires shortly after I bought the Jeep with good AT tires. The factory tires were fine on dry pavement but I could feel them hydroplaning in heavy rain. Plus, I live in New England and there was no way that I was going to trust them in the winter. The tread, the compound, etc. were not designed for winter driving.
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I agree even though i hate the forteras they do have to please the masses and fortera is a mushy ride which a lot of people want. What i dont get is if you order ORAII why dont they put a more off road suited tire than the latitude which is a highway tire. Nothing to radical but just one a little more capable. Michillian MS2 would have been good choice. Good on road manners but a hint of off road ability. A good all around tire that most would be pleased with. The people that want a radical AT tire will buy what they want anyway but you will please more with something like MS2 on ORAII
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