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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

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But this is a modern, new Mercedes with all the features you can get. Older and bigger cars don't have the safety cage from the new ones. If you reduce safety to weight, its just not the hole story.
I'll buy the WK2 again if gas were $10/gallon versus buying a Smart Car. Maybe we should all just ride go-karts then if we use the weight/maneuverability argument?
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

i think we agree that the wk2 is a safe vehicle. And i can only repeat again - weight, size or maneuverability is only a part of the safety concept.
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

We all sound like total pussies having an argument about safety.

Anyway if the price of gas has you fearing being forced into a smaller vehicle and that will make you feel less safe I recommend a two pronged approach:

1. Find your balls

2. Make more money.
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

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Wrong. All other factors being equal in a collision, a heavier vehicle will have the advantage over a lighter one whether being hit, or doing the hitting. Period.
Yup! I was going to say it too but you cleared it already.

I took a traffic school online few weeks ago for my speeding ticket (the first in a decade) and one of several courses was involved about the safety/crash course that explained the weight, speed, differences, etc. It stated just like what you said, basically. I eventually learned few interesting facts that I didn't realize beforehand, otherwise.
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

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But this is a modern, new Mercedes with all the features you can get. Older and bigger cars don't have the safety cage from the new ones. If you reduce safety to weight, its just not the hole story.
Correct. But we are talking about buying a modern, 2011 WK2, vs say a 2011 Honda Civic in order to save money at the pump. They both have great crumple zones and airbags. But with about twice the weight in the WK2, a head-on collision with both vehicles doing 50mph will have very different outcomes for the occupants. Government crash tests are into a wall. That represents going head-on into the same size vehicle going the same speed. Hitting a vehicle twice your weight will feel much worse than the wall because you will actually reverse directions and feel even higher acceleration forces.
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

to answer the OPs question... yes, I would still buy a WK2... with a Hemi.
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I would still buy GC. I think it's important to look objectively at actual delta in costs of x vehicle vs y vehicles fuel efficiency vs utility and one's own economic situation. In my opinion, better fuel efficiency is nice, but 1, 2 or even 5mpg difference or $1-2/gallon shouldn't (i say "shouldn't", but it does) drastically change decision, especially for higher end vehicle like GC.

For example, let's assume at 70/30 hwghy/city my hemi can avg. 17mpg vs X vehicle at 22 mpg. driving 15,000 miles/yr I would need 882 gallons for GC and 682 in vehicle X at $3/ gallon this is a $600/yr penalty. at $5/gallon its $1,000 or a $400 decision if you were going to buy GC at $3 gas. So if your circumstances are similar and can't afford the extra $400/yr then could get the v6 or pass on options. yes, you can buy a completely different class of vehicle and achieve greater delta, but that is a different discussion and well addressed in this blog.

for me the 24 gallon fuel tank and great range was huge plus and more important than a few mpg savings in a fwd based crossover.
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

I drive 12,000 miles a year. At $3/gallon my Wk2 (assuming 17mpg) will cost me $40 more per month than I was getting with my Volvo V70R (I averaged 22mpg, sticker said 16 city/23 highway). At $5/gallon it will cost me $67 more per month. I can live with that.
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

Yep!!!!!
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

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We all sound like total pussies having an argument about safety.

Anyway if the price of gas has you fearing being forced into a smaller vehicle and that will make you feel less safe I recommend a two pronged approach:

1. Find your balls

2. Make more money.
Come on now.... it's not only about having balls or money. Fact of the matter is that high gas prices WILL force some people into smaller and lighter vehicles. Maybe not you or me, but some people for sure.

Have you ever been to Europe? They have much higher gas prices than us and the vast majority of them drive tiny little cars. If gas prices rise to levels similar to Europe, it's only a matter of time before we see the masses driving in the same kind of small cars.

I'd also bet a lot of people here have a WK or WK2 and another smaller and much more efficient vehicle. When gas prices rise, which do you think they'll be driving more often?
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

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This video (at minutes 1:32) illustrates the importance of mass in a head-on collision. The organs in your body (brain, heart, abdominal organs, bones) can only handle so much energy. I don't know how fast the cars are going, but lets say they are doing 50. The Mercedes keeps going forward after impact, which means the occupants were exposed to the amount of deceleration they probably would have felt from driving into a brick wall at 30. The "Smart" car actually changes directions and starts going backwards, which means the occupants were subjected to unbelievable acceleration forces, like they would have felt had the "Smart" car hit a brick wall at 80mph. The people in the Mercedes would probably have walked away. The people in the "Smart" car would have died in minutes as they bled to death internally from having their heart literally torn away from their aorta, etc.
So let me ask you this: Why choose a midsize SUV? Why not an Expedition or Suburban? Surely you'd be far better off in one of those vehicles than a WK2. And if your WK2 gets into a collision with either of those, you're obviously at a disadvantage. So if size and weight is the most important thing and you're focused on safety, why even bother with midsize vehicles?
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Re: If Gas Were $5.00 Would You Still Buy a WK2?

I make my purchased based on functionality, so yes I would even at $10 per gallon. Nominally saving a MPG here or there doesn't make enough difference for me to sway my decision. People will just cut back driving again and drive the prices back down. There were studies that proved $5 a gallon wouldn't last long and would not be sustained for 15 more years.
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