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#1 ·
My wife and I were discussing moving up to a MY15 Grand Cherokee this fall. I was thinking about a Limited with Luxury and Hitch packages and Navigation. She said that she'd go for the difference for an Overland for my birthday. Since our off-roading is limited to dirt roads, I guess I can live with the low profile tires and the rims are sharp!

Please convince me:
1) The white stitching on seat bolster and steering wheel do not turn a blotchy grey with use.
2) Yes, I know that "air suspension" has been used in cars for about 100 years and an old poll here shows that the vast majority of respondents have no issues with it, BUT the reliability in the WK2 stills scares me. Help me through my Quadra-Lift phobia. :poke:

Thanks.
 
#2 ·
Once you get the overland you're going to wonder why you waited so long. The quadralift is an awesome feature....well worth the cost of the upgrade.

I can't speak for the long term but I doubt the stitching goes gray on you....

You will be glad you made the leap, I promise.
 
#3 ·
I agree with dub'...QL is great and the extra stuff you get/can get with the Overland trim level is very nice. When you are going to make a major investment in a vehicle to drive for a bunch of years, get what you want and will/may enjoy as long as you can financially justify and afford it.
 
#5 ·
Limited has white stitching too. I have a 2012 Overland and Quadra Lift has been perfect since new for 2.5 years now. The leather dash and leather upper door trim and real wood make the interior really nice, and the complete color matched paint lower fascia looks good on the 2014/2015 Overland.
 
#6 ·
What color combination are you looking at? I test drove an Overland a few weeks ago and the ride difference between the Laredo/Limited and Overland is a world of difference. This is the best comparison. If you had a 2005-2010 Grand Cherokee and stepped up to the 2011-presant you noticed a HUGE difference in handling, smoothness and drive ability. It's a night/day difference between the Limited and Overland. Shoot for the Overland man, you'll love it.
 
#10 ·
You don't need to get the 20 inch wheels.
The Overland is available either with 20s or 18s.
The 18s come with the off road packages.

It would be nice if the 18s came with Michelin MS/2 instead of the Latitudes, but I guess that might cost an extra $.05 per vehicle.

The V6 gets slightly better gas mileage and is adequate.
The Hemi gets a better drive train, surprisingly good mileage, and is effortless.
 
#8 ·
We started out looking at Overlands and ended up with a Limited with Luxury II, Tow IV, 8.4 w/NAV and 20s. We basically have an overland without QuadraLift (which we didn't care about), the leather dashboard and a few exterior stylings. We paid cash for the car and we wanted to save a couple thousand bucks and put it toward MaxCare. We were coming out of a 1997 JGC without QuadraLift and didn't feel we needed it.

We are very happy with our purchase.
 
#9 ·
I had a 2013 overland with QL. I now have a 2014 Limited with Lux2, tow and diesel.

Quite honestly, I like my lower model 14 better. It doesn't have the 20s, QL, QD2, stitched dash, ACC, or the hemi, but I see no difference in the ride in the regular suspension, the seats in my Limited look almost identical minus the piping, and the QT2 is much more capable then one would think.

I am more than happy without those features and don't even miss them. Sometimes I wish I had the ACC, but quite honestly Jeep's system isn't close to being as refined as the ones in my previous German cars. Save the thousands of extra dollars and go on a nice vacation or buy yourself a new tv or home theater.
 
#12 · (Edited)
I traded my 2014 Limited V6 in for a 2014 Overland V6...so far so good...fingers crossed!

The "Pros" for the Overland (over the Limited) is the standard 8.4AN radio, ventilated full leather seats, puddle lights, HIDs, chrome tow hooks, power retractable outside mirrors and power tilt/telescopic steering wheel, Pano roof, auto high-beams, and the cool QL suspension.

The only bitch I have so far about the white stitching is the reflection I get on the front windshield in the daytime...it's right at eye level for me.

So glad I didn't pay the extra $3,000 for the thirstier V8, which also "requires" higher octane/more expensive fuel. The V6 has plenty of power for my needs, especially since I will rarely tow with it.
 
#13 ·
I traded my 2014 Limited in for a 2014 Overland...so far so good...fingers crossed! The "Pros" for the Overland (over the Limited) is the standard 8.4AN radio, ventilated full leatherseats, puddle lights, HIDs, chrome tow hooks, power retractable outside mirrors and power tilt/telescopic steering wheel, Pano roof, and the cool QL suspension. The only bitch I have so far about the white stitching is the reflection I get on the front windshield in the daytime...it's right at eye level for me. So glad I didn't pay the extra $3,000 for the thirstier V8, which also "requires" higher octane/more expensive fuel. The V6 has plenty of power for my needs, especially since I will rarely tow with it.
+1 to all
 
#15 ·
This past winter i loaded a 1000 lbs. in the rear cargo area and the QL adjusted too the extra lb. It rode like it was empty, i even tried to bottom it out on the same dip my 04 would bottom out at. It didn't and i was impressed !!!!
 
#16 ·
Quad "A",

It is great having a place where you can receive all the different and good opinions. This has been the BEST forum I have ever been involved in. But it all comes down to what you want and can afford. I chose the Overland for "Looks" and "Capability". As described earlier there are a lot of differences in the two. For me, the Overland exterior looks are WAY superior to the Limited, my opinion only. I once bought a vehicle I only somewhat liked, and it showed in the way I took care of it and treated it, my personal downfall. I plan on doing "some" offroading, not serious stuff, but where the capabilities may come in handy. I was lucky in that I got employee purchase so I got a great deal and did not have to deal with the hassle of negotiations with salesman.

Take a test drive, I love how my Overland rides.

Bottom Line: Get what YOU like and can actually afford.

Best of luck on whatever you decide, but keep us in the loop.
 
#18 · (Edited)
IMHO the Overland is worth it over the Limited for the interior alone.

I can't speak to QL, but I can speak for the stitching. My Lexus has contrast stitching on the wheel and seats and dash, its a tan color matching the flaxen leather. I will say that the stitching on the steering wheel and the shift knob does get dingy with age, but some leather cleaner and a soft toothbrush or detailing brush brings it right back. My Lexus is 18 months and 23k miles in now and I just felt they got dingy enough to try this and it worked great.

I will say that the Overlands I've driven...the QL makes the GC from a great riding vehicle into an incredibly riding vehicle. If I were to replace mine with a 2014/2015...it'd be an Overland.
 
#19 ·
Some opinions of mine-

I think the overland with the painted trim looks much nicer than the lower trims, i definitely think that sets the overland apart in appearance. Just my humble opinion.

If you plan on doing any off-roading or beach driving the quadralift isn't a must but it's an option that will improve your experience and in some circumstances can protect your vehicle undercarriage better vs jeeps that aren't q-lift equipped.

The Hemi has more torque, is a better engine if towing and is faster than the v6. The downside is the mileage. To each his own on that.

I don't think there can be any argument that quadralift isn't an improvement over the non quadra lift equipped jeeps. I can't believe there is a pushback on that. I've owned both, the ride difference isn't substantially better but the off road experience is, the added clearance when driving on sand or in the snow is NIGHT AND DAY. There is no valid argument against that fact. If you can get it you should.

As far as air suspension reliability goes I wouldn't be too concerned. The possibility of something bad happening shouldn't deter you. Anything can go wrong any time with anything you buy or use in life. I sound like a motivational speaker there huh?

Just my .10 cents....
 
#21 ·
The other thing to think about when looking at a loaded Limited and a basic Overland is resale. True, they can be equipped pretty much the same. But, at resale time a lot of "option packages" loose almost all their value when compared to less equipped vehicles within their trim level. For instance...at resale time a "loaded" Limited is going to regress in value closer to a more basic Limited, where an Overland is going to maintain more of that value because "its an Overland".

The odd thing is when leasing the residuals favor the Limited, so a loaded Limited is a lot cheaper than a basic Overland. But, when buying I'd choose the Overland.
 
#22 ·
The other thing to think about when looking at a loaded Limited and a basic Overland is resale. True, they can be equipped pretty much the same. But, at resale time a lot of "option packages" loose almost all their value when compared to less equipped vehicles within their trim level. For instance...at resale time a "loaded" Limited is going to regress in value closer to a more basic Limited, where an Overland is going to maintain more of that value because "its an Overland".
Good point, but a bit of an oversimplification, especially when fixed budgets are thrown in. The two trim lines have some overlap. Which is better, a loaded Limited with a DIESEL engine, or an Overland with a V6 gasser? Prices are similar. The resale of the Overland will be higher because it's an Overland, the resale of the diesel will be higher because it's a diesel. Now what?

My point is, it's an easy decision if money is no object (no budget), but it becomes harder when you have a fixed dollar budget and are trying to decide how best to distribute those fixed funds. The only way to make that choice is to understand the differences, test drive, and make some personal choices based on the collected information.
 
#29 · (Edited)
But the situation you brought up wasn't the situation we were talking about. What if I threw the V8 into the mix? Its not relevant since the OP is asking about our opinions about trim levels not powertrains. Its not that I like to argue, you're telling me that I'm oversimplifying things and thats not the case. I'm giving the OP advice based on the decision he is making, not bringing variables into it that don't apply to his decision.

Brings up a good point though, even with the diesel the loaded Limited and Overland are still only $400 apart...I would still always buy the Overland over a loaded Limited.

Now, if you don't want all of those features obviously the price chasm between the Limited and Overland grows...but if you're going to buy those features anyways, I don't see much reason for going Limited to save $400 on a $50,000 truck.

I had a similar decision deciding between the Laredo X and Limited in 2011. The Limited was about $1,500 more than my Laredo X and you got HIDs, memory seats, chrome trim, etc in the Limited. $1,500 is more than $400...but I will say I made a mistake by cheaping out. I should have gotten the basic Limited...because I do actually want/miss those features.
 
#30 · (Edited)
OK, you were helping the OP, I was directing my remarks at anyone making the decision between Overland and Limited. That explains most of our differences.

Overland with ORA II and Diesel: $54,780
Limited with ORA II, Diesel, Lux and Nav: $48,885.

In what world is that a $400 difference?

Unless you're talking about Diesel loaded Limited vs Overland w/o Diesel. Then I get it, those two are close and the decision rests on how much you value the diesel engine vs. the pretty interior.
 
#32 ·
Overland with ORA II and Diesel: $54,780
Limited with ORA II, Diesel, Lux and Nav: $48,885.
You're not comparing apples to apples here, the Overland in your situation is optioned higher than the Limited. Remember I got to $48,855 with the Limited WITHOUT the diesel.

My point was if you value all the features of the Overland, i.e. you would get them on a Limited...theres no reason not to go for the Overland.

In order to option a Limited like the base Overland you need lux, nav, ORAII (to get QL), 20" wheels. I price that to $52,275.

A base Overland with the diesel (which comes with all of that standard, & requires the ATP with the diesel) is $53,685

So on the diesel the difference is $1,400 vs $400 on the gas Jeeps. Even $1,400 to me is worthwhile given the leather dash and doors, better wood, wood/leather wheel, body painted trim.
 
#35 ·
My wife and I were discussing moving up to a MY15 Grand Cherokee this fall. I was thinking about a Limited with Luxury and Hitch packages and Navigation. She said that she'd go for the difference for an Overland for my birthday. Since our off-roading is limited to dirt roads, I guess I can live with the low profile tires and the rims are sharp!

Please convince me:
1) The white stitching on seat bolster and steering wheel do not turn a blotchy grey with use.
2) Yes, I know that "air suspension" has been used in cars for about 100 years and an old poll here shows that the vast majority of respondents have no issues with it, BUT the reliability in the WK2 stills scares me. Help me through my Quadra-Lift phobia. :poke:

Thanks.
How is it that we let our wives manipulate us like that. She obviously wants the Overland with all its features, yet makes out that it's your birthday present. ....
Tell her that you decided to upgrade to the Overland for her birthday, and that you would happly accept a new boat for yours...
Btw, the overland vs optioned limited... its a no brainer to go with the Overland. When it comes time to trade in a few years, the limited will still be a limited no matter how many cow bells you hang from it.
 
#42 ·
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2) Yes, I know that "air suspension" has been used in cars for about 100 years and an old poll here shows that the vast majority of respondents have no issues with it, BUT the reliability in the WK2 stills scares me. Help me through my Quadra-Lift phobia. :poke:

Thanks.
Zero issues with mine after 50k miles, but the only off road I do are gravel roads. I dial mine to sport mode frequently for the twisty roads, which drops the vehicle 1/2", and it handles better.

When I pick up my Dad (he's 84) I drop it to its lowest setting and he can get in and out a lot easier.

When I change the oil I raise it to its highest setting and don't need to jack it up. I haven't tried to set jack stands under the raise truck then "lower" the suspension to do a tire rotation but I might try that next time...

The best part is the interior. Mine's Saddle-Black. Once I saw it I didn't care what it costs. I'm always getting compliments.
 
#43 · (Edited)
The Overland gives you 20" wheels and chrome tow hooks. Also, you can't get 20" wheels and air suspension on a Limited. So you're really getting 20" wheels too and if you "could" add that and "chrome tow hooks or black tow hooks" both to a Limited that's another $1800 so the Overland really is the best choice if you want all of the best possible options and then basically the same price as a truly loaded (although not even possible to build) Limited; (not including Summit or SRT stuff). Plus Overland lower fascia is smooth and painted to match which isn't available on the Limited and hundreds of dollars to add to a Limited with a body shop / paint shop. Overland also has the nicer looking honeycomb grille inserts! And the Overland name and badge is cool and unique too!
 
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