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Old 04-09-2014, 01:58 PM
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I'm talking about two Jeeps with the same power train, one a loaded Limited and one a basic Overland.
Right, which is exactly the oversimplification I was pointing out. :-)

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In reality a loaded Limited, outfitted with QL and 20s and ATP is $48,775. An Overland with ATP is $49,185. A difference in price of $410.
This. Limiteds are not much cheaper than similarly-equipped Overlands.

For my decision-making, this is what sealed the deal. I was looking at a different configuration, but the invoice on the Overland was only $350 more than the Limited. If it really was "thousands more" then I probably would have gone with the Limited. It wasn't, so now I have an Overland on order.

To the OP: If you're concerned about the air suspension, you could always get an extended warranty that will cover it through however long you plan to keep the vehicle. The Maxcare Lifetime is around $2200, which is definitely more than pocket change, but your peace of mind might be worth it.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:37 PM
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Right, which is exactly the oversimplification I was pointing out. :-)
But this is the OP's situation...you're the one talking about Diesels not him or me. I personally would never even consider the diesel. I'm not oversimplifying the situation, you're overcomplicating it. I stand by my advice.

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This. Limiteds are not much cheaper than similarly-equipped Overlands.

For my decision-making, this is what sealed the deal. I was looking at a different configuration, but the invoice on the Overland was only $350 more than the Limited. If it really was "thousands more" then I probably would have gone with the Limited. It wasn't, so now I have an Overland on order.
Exactly. $400 for the leather dash, nicer wood, additional trim details, body painted trim. No brainer IMHO.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:47 PM
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[QUOTE=SW03ES;1005585]But this is the OP's situation...you're the one talking about Diesels not him or me. I personally would never even consider the diesel. I'm not oversimplifying the situation, you're overcomplicating it. I stand by my advice. /QUOTE]

Man you like to argue. Are you a lawyer? :-) I wasn't talking about diesels either, I USED ONE EXAMPLE of a situation where the decision between Overland and Limited isn't as easy as you made it sound.

I didn't realize the only person gaining insight by reading this thread was the OP. I was under the mistaken impression that others may read and gain insight as well.

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Old 04-09-2014, 04:32 PM
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But the situation you brought up wasn't the situation we were talking about. What if I threw the V8 into the mix? Its not relevant since the OP is asking about our opinions about trim levels not powertrains. Its not that I like to argue, you're telling me that I'm oversimplifying things and thats not the case. I'm giving the OP advice based on the decision he is making, not bringing variables into it that don't apply to his decision.

Brings up a good point though, even with the diesel the loaded Limited and Overland are still only $400 apart...I would still always buy the Overland over a loaded Limited.

Now, if you don't want all of those features obviously the price chasm between the Limited and Overland grows...but if you're going to buy those features anyways, I don't see much reason for going Limited to save $400 on a $50,000 truck.

I had a similar decision deciding between the Laredo X and Limited in 2011. The Limited was about $1,500 more than my Laredo X and you got HIDs, memory seats, chrome trim, etc in the Limited. $1,500 is more than $400...but I will say I made a mistake by cheaping out. I should have gotten the basic Limited...because I do actually want/miss those features.
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Re: I'm open minded.

OK, you were helping the OP, I was directing my remarks at anyone making the decision between Overland and Limited. That explains most of our differences.

Overland with ORA II and Diesel: $54,780
Limited with ORA II, Diesel, Lux and Nav: $48,885.

In what world is that a $400 difference?

Unless you're talking about Diesel loaded Limited vs Overland w/o Diesel. Then I get it, those two are close and the decision rests on how much you value the diesel engine vs. the pretty interior.
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"We recommend you use of 89 octane or higher for optimum performance but 87 octane is acceptable"
I have never put 89 in my JGC yet over just shy of 32000 miles...and I get very good fuel economy. ~16 in general rural driving and 20+ on the highway.
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Overland with ORA II and Diesel: $54,780
Limited with ORA II, Diesel, Lux and Nav: $48,885.
You're not comparing apples to apples here, the Overland in your situation is optioned higher than the Limited. Remember I got to $48,855 with the Limited WITHOUT the diesel.

My point was if you value all the features of the Overland, i.e. you would get them on a Limited...theres no reason not to go for the Overland.

In order to option a Limited like the base Overland you need lux, nav, ORAII (to get QL), 20" wheels. I price that to $52,275.

A base Overland with the diesel (which comes with all of that standard, & requires the ATP with the diesel) is $53,685

So on the diesel the difference is $1,400 vs $400 on the gas Jeeps. Even $1,400 to me is worthwhile given the leather dash and doors, better wood, wood/leather wheel, body painted trim.
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So on the diesel the difference is $1,400 vs $400 on the gas Jeeps. Even $1,400 to me is worthwhile given the leather dash and doors, better wood, wood/leather wheel, body painted trim.
Ahh but you left ATG off the diesel Limited, so in a true apples to apples comparison the Limited price would be higher and that $1400 difference goes away.

I realize this is a lot of nitpicking but it speaks to the fact that a lot is included on the Overland that isn't on the Limited. Saying that the only difference is air suspension or a fancier interior is an oversimplification. If one were to say "I do not want air suspension or that annoying tech package" then yes getting an Overland that includes those options is wasted money for that person.
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"We recommend you use of 89 octane or higher for optimum performance but 87 octane is acceptable"
I have owned a 2005 "C", a 2005 GC, and now a 2012 Ram, all with the Hemi. I only used 87 in all of them with no problems.
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My wife and I were discussing moving up to a MY15 Grand Cherokee this fall. I was thinking about a Limited with Luxury and Hitch packages and Navigation. She said that she'd go for the difference for an Overland for my birthday. Since our off-roading is limited to dirt roads, I guess I can live with the low profile tires and the rims are sharp!

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1) The white stitching on seat bolster and steering wheel do not turn a blotchy grey with use.
2) Yes, I know that "air suspension" has been used in cars for about 100 years and an old poll here shows that the vast majority of respondents have no issues with it, BUT the reliability in the WK2 stills scares me. Help me through my Quadra-Lift phobia.

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How is it that we let our wives manipulate us like that. She obviously wants the Overland with all its features, yet makes out that it's your birthday present. ....
Tell her that you decided to upgrade to the Overland for her birthday, and that you would happly accept a new boat for yours...
Btw, the overland vs optioned limited... its a no brainer to go with the Overland. When it comes time to trade in a few years, the limited will still be a limited no matter how many cow bells you hang from it.
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The other thing to think about when looking at a loaded Limited and a basic Overland is resale. True, they can be equipped pretty much the same. But, at resale time a lot of "option packages" loose almost all their value when compared to less equipped vehicles within their trim level.
I can agree with this statement.

My trade-in was 2014 Limited that had extra options...20" wheels, sunroof, 8.4A radio, and trailer tow pkg., and every dealership would try to leverage that against me saying that people who buy Limiteds don't want to pay the extra money for those options...if so, they would just buy an Overland.

In the long run I've learned that it's definitely less expensive to purchase a straight Overland opposed to a loaded Limited...and that the Overland will get you better trade-in value at the dealership as well.
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