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$4.00 18 16.36%
$4.50 10 9.09%
$5.00 38 34.55%
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$6.00 15 13.64%
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Re: Influence of Gas Prices

The good thing about high gas prices (?) might be some incentives (rebates, locked in gas prices, etc) to buy a Jeep in the coming months. I'm hoping for incentives to arrive in the fall.
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Don't believe the hype. Ethanol is alcohol. Any chemist worth his salt will tell you adding alcohol to fuel has the opposite effect of improving gas mileage and engine wear. You are better off going with a no-ethanol 89 and adding 2-3 ounces of pure acetone per 10 gallons.
Isn't that the truth, lower btu source. My home state is big on Corn Ethanol and it's false gains... other than a bit cleaner.
It's a close mathematical wash with Ethanol at 10-15 cents lower. At 10 cents lower per gal, it's not a savings to use Ethanol, it's cheaper to use the Reg Fuel (non ethanol) at higher Gal price due to better MPG's. At 13-15 cents lower, the Ethanol has a slight lower cost based on MPG's... but lower HP & Performance are the Prices paid. It may be a bit cleaner, but no other significant gains!

Concerning your Custom Mix w acetone. Cool, never thought of that!!
Any estimate on what the mix offers for increased octane?
Does the ECM take advantage and increase ing timing thus a small performance gain or MPG? Do the O2 Sensors create any issues?

What's the avg price of a gal of acetone?
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Isn't that the truth, lower btu source. My home state is big on Corn Ethanol and it's false gains... other than a bit cleaner.
It's a close mathematical wash with Ethanol at 10-15 cents lower. At 10 cents lower per gal, it's not a savings to use Ethanol, it's cheaper to use the Reg Fuel (non ethanol) at higher Gal price due to better MPG's. At 13-15 cents lower, the Ethanol has a slight lower cost based on MPG's... but lower HP & Performance are the Prices paid. It may be a bit cleaner, but no other significant gains!

Concerning your Custom Mix w acetone. Cool, never thought of that!!
Any estimate on what the mix offers for increased octane?
Does the ECM take advantage and increase ing timing thus a small performance gain or MPG? Do the O2 Sensors create any issues?

What's the avg price of a gal of acetone?
Please do your own research EXTENSIVELY before trying this out. There are a myriad of tiny but significant factors that influence the final result. You have to use pure acetone, you have to use gas free of any alcohol or alcohol additives(hard to find, usually high-end brands like BP, etc.), the ratio is usually 2-3 ounces per 10 gallons, but that is also trial and error. The good news is though, from my research, people are seeing astounding improvements, and usually the only detractors end up being people working for the gas companies. Of course they wouldn't want you getting better gas mileage. That means you buy less. That's the whole reason behind E-85.
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Local Mobil gas station owner just said on TV interview that there is no shortage of gasoline at this time. It is price fixing by oil companies.
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Doesn't bother me as I know we have always been spoiled with relatively cheap gas. My biggest complaint when prices rise are the other drivers that go so much slower and don't accelerate at lights, LOL
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Assuming Jeep doesn't offer incentives for the V8, as gas prices continue to rise.... at what price would the price of gas influence your decision to purchase a V6 or another brand with hybrid capability?

I am driving my jeep about twice less right now even with current price. Weather is good, so only shopping and some hobby. No need of huge track to drive single me to work. Time for my coupe, it is better on gas even with 3.7L engine and much more hp.
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Local Mobil gas station owner just said on TV interview that there is no shortage of gasoline at this time. It is price fixing by oil companies.
Your local owner is clueless.

The price of crude is a known factor. The producers are saying it isn't a rational market; the speculators are trading based on worst case scenarios of middle east unrest. Supplies are up, production is high, and the price of crude still goes up, and that is going to be reflected in the price of gasoline.

It's a bubble and the traders are going to catch it in the shorts sooner or later.

As for the question, it assumes that the V-8 is the default choice and price of fuel is the sole reason to not get purchase it. There's no shortage of V-6 owners quite happy with their purchase. Now, if fuel were $1/gallon, I admit I would probably have gone with the Hemi, but those days are long over, and there's little reason to pay more for a thirstier engine when you can't accelerate any faster than the nonagenarian in the Mercury in front of you who apparently fell asleep before the light changed.
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Local Mobil gas station owner just said on TV interview that there is no shortage of gasoline at this time. It is price fixing by oil companies.
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Your local owner is clueless.

The price of crude is a known factor. The producers are saying it isn't a rational market; the speculators are trading based on worst case scenarios of middle east unrest. Supplies are up, production is high, and the price of crude still goes up, and that is going to be reflected in the price of gasoline.

It's a bubble and the traders are going to catch it in the shorts sooner or later.

As for the question, it assumes that the V-8 is the default choice and price of fuel is the sole reason to not get purchase it. There's no shortage of V-6 owners quite happy with their purchase. Now, if fuel were $1/gallon, I admit I would probably have gone with the Hemi, but those days are long over, and there's little reason to pay more for a thirstier engine when you can't accelerate any faster than the nonagenarian in the Mercury in front of you who apparently fell asleep before the light changed.
As far as i'm concerned the price of crude, gas and other fuels involves some kind of hocu-pocus only found at Hogwarts.

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Doesn't bother me as I know we have always been spoiled with relatively cheap gas. My biggest complaint when prices rise are the other drivers that go so much slower and don't accelerate at lights, LOL
I don't think a lot of Americans who have never lived outside of the country for a significant amount of time(Like I have), have any idea just how spoiled they are with their relatively LOW price on gas. I for one am a little sick and tired of the complaining. I can't wait to get back to America and ONLY pay 3.50-4$/gallon! Screw a V8-even the SRT8, I'm shooting for a Viper-powered vehicle! lol
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6.5$ ist to low, thats what we pay today ;-)
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6.5$ ist to low, thats what we pay today ;-)
You must be getting paid lot as well
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I don't think a lot of Americans who have never lived outside of the country for a significant amount of time(Like I have), have any idea just how spoiled they are with their relatively LOW price on gas.
I've lived in Europe for many weeks at a time while on business over many years. They pay more than the U.S. because of regressive taxes. Everyone pays the market rate for oil and refining costs are not much different. The big difference is in the amount of tax applied to the oil at each step of the way from extraction to transportation and then to distribution. It's not that the U.S. is getting a low price for fuel, it's that most of the rest of the world is having their fuel taxed a ridiculous amount. i.e. they're being ripped off by their governments.
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The big difference is in the amount of tax applied to the oil at each step of the way from extraction to transportation and then to distribution. It's not that the U.S. is getting a low price for fuel, it's that most of the rest of the world is having their fuel taxed a ridiculous amount. i.e. they're being ripped off by their governments.

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