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Old 10-22-2010, 09:18 AM
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

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waiting for bugs to be worked out is an old myth. Perhaps true a decade ago. Today, not so. The technology used from concept to production far exceeds what was available in the past. Regarding new transmission, meaning 6 or 7-speed. To the average driver out there, they will not notice a difference. If they do, marginal. I have experienced the transition from 5 to 7 speed in my Infiniti G. Honestly, a marginal difference from the driver's seat.

Wow, I completely disagree on both counts. It is well documented on vehicles across many different manufacturers that the first year of a production run has more "bugs" than the years following. In fact, improvements are typically made for at least the first two years and tend to plateau by the 3rd year. This can easily be illustrated by looking up TSB information year-by-year starting with the first year of a redesigned vehicle. You find that the number of TSBs diminish as the model ages, which is perfectly logical when you consider that vehicles produced after a TSB is issued will have the problem corrected at the factory.

As for the new transmission, the current 5-speed isn't really optimized for the new V6 as far as gear ratio selection. From what I've heard, a 6-speed with better gear ratios will make all the difference in the world when it comes to getting better performance out of the V6.

Those are two very good reasons to wait for the 2012 models, IMO.
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:31 AM
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

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Those are two very good reasons to wait for the 2012 models, IMO.
Completely agree and disagree both.

No matter what the vehicle, or for that matter, many technical items, there is continuous tweaks, improvements, enhancements and refinements from year to year and model to model. Yes, the next year, the next model, will almost always be better in some ways than the current. Waiting will almost always provide an improved product available but then again waiting even longer will provide an even better product and so on ad infinitum.

For me, a more reasonable approach is to ask, do I want what is available now, will it suit my uses, will it bring me joy? If so, I go for it, and the fact that the future brings a better product is a given. It doesn't remove the basic reasons I got the vehicle or the enjoyment I get from using it as time marches on. At some suitable point in the future, it becomes time to upgrade and start the enjoyment process all over again.
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:34 AM
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

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As for the new transmission, the current 5-speed isn't really optimized for the new V6 as far as gear ratio selection. From what I've heard, a 6-speed with better gear ratios will make all the difference in the world when it comes to getting better performance out of the V6.

Those are two very good reasons to wait for the 2012 models, IMO.
The 5spd for the V6 has been around for 15 years. If you're looking at reliability and bugs with first-year vehicles, I'll take the current proven and reliable 5spd over the upcoming 8spd. The Pentastar could be suspect, but there is so much riding on it I suspect few issues to arrise. Also, having owned several first-year vehicles and some 4 year ones, I saw no reliability difference.
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Old 10-22-2010, 12:04 PM
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

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I moved from a well-tuned 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Hemi, and stepped down to the V6 for my new purchase. I would be lying if I said I wasn’t somewhat apprehensive about the move. I do not tow often, and when I do… it is usually smaller items. However, I do have an exceedingly steep driveway, and having the power of the V8 has always been appreciated. And it’s always nice to know you have the power when you find the need to add some extra weight to the gas pedal.

I have been pleasantly surprised by the responsiveness of the Pentastar engine. No, I do not get the sudden surge of power as I did with the Hemi, but there is sufficient muscle behind the V6 when asked to step it up a bit. I will be interested to see what comes along regarding gearing for future models, but the 5-speed transmission is fairly smooth, and very responsive if wanting a little fun by manually shifting. One major plus is not hearing the sucking sound… and watching the gas gauge fall when asking the Hemi to perform. All joking aside, the power of the Hemi cannot be ignored, but the Pentastar engine is more than enough power for your average person. If you’re trying to decide between the two, I would highly recommend test driving both vehicles to see the difference. But if you are not needing the power of the Hemi, the V6 is certainly a capable option. I like…

Thanks, I am struggling with the choice of engines right now, myself. My 2008 Overland Hemi is 330 HP vs 290 HP in the new Pentastar. But as we all should know, we look at HP ratings when what we really feel in our butts and what we really want is the higher torque. Also, towing is not an issue with the new WK2 for me because I'll have the Hemi 2008 Jeep and a Chevy 2500 HD. I'll make up my mind after test driving both engines before I order.
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

I was struggling with the same thing. I ultimately felt that the V6 was adequate, and to me, adequate was something that I could not live with. As soon as I took out the 5.7 it made the Jeep feel right. For the marginal difference in gas milage, where the V6 is hauling around big weight, I decided on the Hemi. Forget HP, torque is what you need in a truck.
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

Its personal preference and dependent on your driving style/environment. And yea depends on your definition of "marginal difference in gas mileage" when you factor about 20 percent increase in fuel economy/87 octane vs 89 octane prices/and up front engine cost difference. Not saying that either GC is exactly economical at the pump..but its a factor to consider.
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

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I was struggling with the same thing. I ultimately felt that the V6 was adequate, and to me, adequate was something that I could not live with. As soon as I took out the 5.7 it made the Jeep feel right. For the marginal difference in gas milage, where the V6 is hauling around big weight, I decided on the Hemi. Forget HP, torque is what you need in a truck.
My thoughts exactly.....I said months before ordering that I was going with the V6 because it was "good enough" but after driving the hemi and knowing the last 3 trucks I've had have been V8's, good enough wasn't enough!

I got the hemi...
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

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My thoughts exactly.....I said months before ordering that I was going with the V6 because it was "good enough" but after driving the hemi and knowing the last 3 trucks I've had have been V8's, good enough wasn't enough!

I got the hemi...
Yeah, I am the first one to say... that if you find yourself looking at the V6 because it was "good enough"... you need to rethink your choice. Completely with you on this one!

Hemi??? Hell yeah, I wanted the Hemi! But, did I NEED the Hemi? No...

For others, get out there and test drive!
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Re: Initial Thoughts: 2007 WK Hemi to WK2 Pentastar

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For others, get out there and test drive!

Great advice..
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Nice jeep.

......But the rent is too damn high.

Rent is too DAMN high.

If I was in NY I'd definitely vote for Jimmy. (O&A endorsed as well!)
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