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Re: Is it Easy being Green?

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My interest in the GC is 75% due to a 2.4 stretch of road leading to my house that can be quite difficult to handle. On many occasions it has stopped by AWD Outlander and Subaru GT with dedicated snow tires. We're talking about anything between 15-25 inches of snow on several occasions. We're VERY low on the plow list it would appear. One of our neighbors has the GC Overland and we've seen what it can do when our cars are unable to move. With dedicated snows, snow mode and the raised suspension he really can handle insane amounts of snow.
An X5 is no better than what we have now in that regard!
Then there's the "luxury" end, where the Overland's air suspension is quite impressive at speed. I drove the Limited (no quadra lift) and the Overland and my wife and I both noted that the Overland handled better and made less noise at 70 mph. I assume this is because the lowered air suspension reduced wind noise. So in addition to be useful for handling some deep snow, or off road work, the Overland is just nicer. Even the park mode is a welcome feature when loading up!
BUT...if I didn't need those features for my rotten road, I'd sure be looking at possibly buying an X5, Q7 and a few others more seriously. You all can yell "value" until cows fly, but a 45K Jeep is pricey. That's about 15K higher than the average price paid for a vehicle in this country. It's well into the zone of some seriously nice cars that also carry more prestigious names.
In the end the new GC is a winner for me because it pretty much meets or beats those brands on their home ground and THEN dominates them off-road. That's why I call the X5 a fat car by comparison!

Anyway....I don't see the GC Overland as in a lower class than the X5. It's in it's own class, which is really only challenged by the LR4.


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Then there's the "luxury" end, where the Overland's air suspension is quite impressive at speed. I drove the Limited (no quadra lift) and the Overland and my wife and I both noted that the Overland handled better and made less noise at 70 mph. I assume this is because the lowered air suspension reduced wind noise.
I think that was more in your head than anything else. There is no difference in sound deadening or anything between the two, and the very small height difference with the QL is not going to make a perceptible difference in noise. Could be it was windier when you drove the Limited. Could be the air pressure in the tires were slightly different. When I drove the two I saw/felt no difference. Did the Limited you drove have the 20s?

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the Overland is just nicer.
Well of course. Yet, it doesn't bother you that an X5 within $10k in price to the Jeep has MUCH less features and equipment...its because its a "BMW". But a Laredo X is beneath you? You must see the hypocrisy here?

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You all can yell "value" until cows fly, but a 45K Jeep is pricey. That's about 15K higher than the average price paid for a vehicle in this country. It's well into the zone of some seriously nice cars that also carry more prestigious names.
See, that argument doesn't make any sense. $45,000 is a lot of money don't get me wrong, but its not an unusual amount of money for a midsized SUV. Explorer, Highlander, 4Runner, all can cost $45k. Hell, a loaded Explorer with the features on an Overland Summit is $55k+! They sell the Toyota Land Cruiser for $70k! Sure you can buy a vehicle with a more "prestigious name", but that name is traded dearly for features and content. If a "prestigious brand" is important to you you should not buy the Jeep, bottom line. If you look at the features and capability the Jeep has at every trim level and compare it to the competition...its a huge value. I know, I drove literally EVERYTHING within $20k+/- the cost of the Jeep. Chevy Equinox, Toyota Rav 4, Subaru Outback, Ford Explorer & Edge, BMW X5, Toyota Highlander and 4Runner, Mercedes ML, Lincoln MKX, Lexus RX & GX, Audi Q5, Audi Q7, Hyundai Santa Fe, Kia Sorrento. Literally...everything. The Jeep is a GREAT value. I would say its not going to turn heads at the country club...but like I said in my other thread my Jeep gets more compliments than any other car I've ever owned...including cars that cost upwards of $70k.

For the money the X5 has the name...but thats all it has compared to the Jeep. Better on road handling but at the expense of off road and poor weather handling...which to me is the whole point of having an SUV. Why would anyone want an SUV that handles like a car?!? Just buy a car...

Anyways, like I said if $45k for a Jeep is too much for you to stomach, and the much lower level of equipment found on a sub $50k X5 is satisfactory to you...nothing but snobbery keeps you from looking to a low package Limited or Laredo X...which will have the equipment of the X5 (and more) plus the winter driving ability you say you need for $35k or less.

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Anyway....I don't see the GC Overland as in a lower class than the X5.
Yet you say this:

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Which is a contradiction. This is precisely why it is in a lower class than the X5. If it weren't...you wouldn't think $45k was pricey for it.

I think you're a little bit of a brand snob, whether you realize it or not. Thats why you refuse to consider anything lesser than the Overland. My advice to you is to not buy the Jeep, because you're always going to be looking at the Audis and BMWs and wanting that. Buy that, get it out of your system, get it towed off your road a few times...realize its meaningless...then buy the Jeep. But we're not going to be able to talk you out of that desire.
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Re: Is it Easy being Green?

Unfortunately price is an issue when classing cars because you always think budget "for this much I can get this" or "that" but the issue at hand is, would you mind paying a bit less or more for something you need?

Being off the road was a big winner for me. I take desert runs all the time, dunes, rocky areas, even some muddy areas and some "pothole" like holes in the ground that I like to call craters.

For the money I spent on my Overland 5.7, fully loaded. I could have probably bought a discounted or used X6 V6 over here (American prices here are usually very inflated). I could have bought "x" or "y" or "c" or whatever else you could think of. But for me, it was down to the ability to handle well off road and doing some towing when I occasionally needed it to do so.

I like to class cars depending on functionality. However, these days the lines are getting jumbled. However, I would agree that when it comes to "stock" set ups (fully loaded or not) it's kinda hard to beat the GC in that sense. It does great off road, lots of luxury features, reliability, and looks to kill for.

To me, it was JGC over LR4 any day. LRs are over priced in my opinion, don't hold resale value as well as jeeps (atleast over here), and from experiences with friends who drive range rovers...highly unreliable.

Even if you bought a fiat punto, it could be a great buy, if it fits in what you need the vehicle to do. You can look at the states and price lists all day but at the end it comes down to that + subjectivity. I'm 125% happy with my purchase. Sure my HEMI is not as powerful as some of the V6s out there, but hey - it keeps me up and performs what I need it to do. I've never had a single complaint off road, and have never felt this comfortable in a ride (on and off road). To me, it is a true winner. Some people may disagree, but again it comes down to subjectivity / comfort as well as the stats book.

I agree, German Engineering as a whole is far superior than all the other car companies out there. Considering power/reliability/handling/resale etc. Everyone in my household drives German. My pops has his 996 turbo, and a 2004 golf 2.0 (to save mileage on his turbo). My mum has VW passat 2012. I have a 996 carrera that was a restoration project. I'm selling that too as much as I love it because I'm done with this "speed racer" stuff and the roads here aren't really the best for a car like that (mixed iwth my driving style). I'm the only one who drives American (and funny enough this is my first American car, my SUV that I got rid of before this Jeep was a 99 pathfinder 3.5L). I have driven German cars all my life, my friends are also insanely obsessed with german vehicles. I do see why they've been engineered to be "top class" but still. They don't offer what I want as a stock vehicle all in one package. I considered the Touareg for a second, but backed out because I didn't want to put the work into a 2011/12 touareg (insane lift, tires) etc. My air suspension gives me the versatility and everything I need in one.

The purpose of that is, it's all about what YOU want. Considering the snow, I'd highly recommend the JGC with the air suspension, or you can go with the lift direction. But I love that damned air suspension. I can adjust to heights as I please and it's actually quite a significant lift for approaching. The terrain modes are wonderful too. I assume from what I hear, snow driving is quite similar to sand driving and if that's the case (never drove this baby on snow) I'd vouch for the JGC all the way! It has never failed me in the Kuwaiti deserts! Waiting to take it for a trip down to Dubai!
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The Jeep is a GREAT value. I would say its not going to turn heads at the country club...but like I said in my other thread my Jeep gets more compliments than any other car I've ever owned...including cars that cost upwards of $70k.

For the money the X5 has the name...but thats all it has compared to the Jeep. Better on road handling but at the expense of off road and poor weather handling...which to me is the whole point of having an SUV. Why would anyone want an SUV that handles like a car?!? Just buy a car...
Well said, even one of my best buddies who drives the 2011/12 Porsche Cayenne S keeps telling me how "aggressive and manly" my Jeep looks. I even get a lot of compliments from my other friends. My woman loves it to death! She keeps telling me, I'm so glad you didn't go for one of those "c*ck extension SUVs, they're a waste of money and tend to look stupid" (to her these jeeps include stuff like the cayenne, the x6 etc).

I do have to say. I've received more compliments in it, than I have driving my dads 996 Turbo. Although the 996 is a piece of art...at the end of the day, the JEEP has evolved and looks so damn aggressive as a JEEP. It's as if the designers sat down and said. "How can we take the kick ass look for the WK, and inject more testosterone into it?" (I understand I may receive some hate from the WK owners )

In my defense, I've even had some WK owners here ask me how much I got it for and my set up etc. When it was fairly new in Kuwait, people thought I was riding a debadged SRT8 or the new SRT8 no joke. This happened at least 3 times to me.

All in all, I think this Jeep looks absolutely stunning and looks like it's got more grunt in it's spring than it may actually have. But at the end of the day, it's subjective. I do love how it looks though, especially when it's covered in mud!
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Which is a contradiction. This is precisely why it is in a lower class than the X5. If it weren't...you wouldn't think $45k was pricey for it.>>


Actually, I don't agree. The name really means nothing, beyond a perception of the buyer that it MIGHT. Frankly, after test driving many of these cars they all pretty much left me scratching my head. Why would ANYONE with a brain buy a X5 instead of a Overland with the Hemi? The whole POINT of the SUV is a larger, heavier snow-all-terrain capable vehicle and the X5 misses 50% of the formula.
See my thread on JGC vs. Q7, which we tested out in detail yesterday! I have no assumed belief that a Audi is better than something by virtue of it's name. Overall I generally feel that Japanese cars are better than German....I've never driven a German car that was on par with a 35K Mitsubishi Evo X including last years M3. And the Nissan GT-R is a near miracle. But all it takes is Korea or the USA to topple that perception with a new design and proper execution.

Now if you want brand snobbery...ask me about my stereo! ;-)

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