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Re: Is there any feature you can do without or a must have!

Guess this is as good as any place to post my first post. So I have owned my Summit all of a week and here is my list
Do without:
-Reverse tilting Mirror (oh look there is gum on the ground), the angle is too steep.
-Collision Mitigation (swear mine doesn't work right or it is just not that great of a system. I set up a huge appliance box in the street and drove at it. Nothing. got a large beep at the absolute last second. Was going about 15mph)
-Panoramic Sunroof.

Must have:
-Adaptive Cruise Control works awesome (did have it just turn off once out of the blue, will have dealer take a look at)
-Rear View Camera (after I flashed the uConnect system, works much better)
-Parking Sensors
-Diesel Motor. It is very good and was the main selling point for me.
-Keyless entry. I will never own another car that I have to actually use a key to start. Ever!

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Old 08-22-2014, 09:15 PM
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Re: Is there any feature you can do without or a must have!

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Guess this is as good as any place to post my first post. So I have owned my Summit all of a week and here is my list
Do without:
-Reverse tilting Mirror (oh look there is gum on the ground), the angle is too steep.
-Collision Mitigation (swear mine doesn't work right or it is just not that great of a system. I set up a huge appliance box in the street and drove at it. Nothing. got a large beep at the absolute last second. Was going about 15mph)
-Panoramic Sunroof.

Must have:
-Adaptive Cruise Control works awesome (did have it just turn off once out of the blue, will have dealer take a look at)
-Rear View Camera (after I flashed the uConnect system, works much better)
-Parking Sensors
-Diesel Motor. It is very good and was the main selling point for me.
-Keyless entry. I will never own another car that I have to actually use a key to start. Ever!
Give the collision mitigation a little more time since you have only had it a week I actually like it pretty well. Its hard to safely test it. also remember its not going to do anything except warn you (beep, shutter and flash Brake) when your foot is on the gas. if you start to brake and it senses that you are not braking enough for the situation it will compensate with additional braking. I have only been in situations twice in a year and a half where it provided more braking. It needs to be a very near collision situation. Really the warning is all I ever need that quick warning if you miss judge stopping traffic is nice gets your attention real quick.
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Old 08-22-2014, 09:48 PM
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Give the collision mitigation a little more time since you have only had it a week I actually like it pretty well. Its hard to safely test it. also remember its not going to do anything except warn you (beep, shutter and flash Brake) when your foot is on the gas. if you start to brake and it senses that you are not braking enough for the situation it will compensate with additional braking. I have only been in situations twice in a year and a half where it provided more braking. It needs to be a very near collision situation. Really the warning is all I ever need that quick warning if you miss judge stopping traffic is nice gets your attention real quick.
This is something that i hope will be hugh in the future but it needs our input too make it better!
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Re: Is there any feature you can do without or a must have!

I could do without the heated mirrors but have used the flashlight before. Must have the HFP/Bluetooth and have retrofitted most of my older cars with (have for the Judge but not yet installed). Don't have/need a sunroof, have a convertible. Added rear camera (essential) but hard part is multiplexing with one on trailer.
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Re: Is there any feature you can do without or a must have!

Can't do without:

- Backup camera with curving guide lines: I've installed a backup camera in my last car, but the steering lines make a big difference.
- Heated Steering Wheel: I live in the Northeast, 'nuff said...
- Heated and Auto Dimming mirrors: I just have the driver's side auto dimming one on mine. One day I may check to see if I can retro-fit the passenger side.
- Keyless entry & push button start - It's nice not having to dig out my keys

What I never use or didn't want:

- Cruise control
- Uconnect Internet Hotspot: The subscription is too much money, so not worth it. Plus, I have internet on my cell phone.
- Collision mitigation
- Parking Assist
- Air suspension

What I wish I had:

- HID: I didn't opt for the LUX II package because the only thing I wanted on the list was HID and it wasn't worth the extra $4000 to me.
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Re: Is there any feature you can do without or a must have!

Can do without:
- Panoramic sunroof. I have no use for sunroofs of any kind in any vehicle. However, manufacturers package their options in a way that results in me having to get a sunroof. Useless, expensive feature. I even consider using a sunroof detrimental to safe driving.
- Fog lights. A pox on them and people that use them as supplemental lighting. Again, can decrease your safety.
- Remote start. Illegal where I live. Should be illegal everywhere. Not good for the environment, nor the vehicle, nor my wallet. I have disable mine.

Really like (the list is too long, but here are the highlights):
- backup camera.
- perforated, heated, cooled comfortable seats.
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Of particular note:

+ Turning radius for ease of parking and maneuvering in tight spots.
+ Deisel and 8 sp tranny. Love the power, smoothness, and economy (mpg not entry price).
+ BSM, ACC, Collision Avoidance, Rear Camera, 8.4AN

Actually I love just about everything but could do without the CD Player. I don't use it and it just takes up space.
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- Fog lights. A pox on them and people that use them as supplemental lighting. Again, can decrease your safety.
Exactly how do Fog lights degrease your safety? I live in the NorthEast where we have fog, snow, etc. and the fog lights, at times, are the only things that let me see the road. I wouldn't get a car without them.

What is it about fog lights that you hate?
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Exactly how do Fog lights degrease your safety? I live in the NorthEast where we have fog, snow, etc. and the fog lights, at times, are the only things that let me see the road. I wouldn't get a car without them.

What is it about fog lights that you hate?
Fog lights should be used in extreme fog conditions, when visibility is near zero and you are driving extremely slowly, with your headlights turned off.

Instead, I see people driving with both their headlights and fog lights on, in benign conditions (non-challenging conditions that do not warrant the use of any lights other than standard headlights). Throwing additional lumens at on-coming traffic in these conditions can somewhat blind oncoming traffic, who could hit you. Some people are very sensitive to too much light.
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Re: Is there any feature you can do without or a must have!

The light also tends to reflect up off wet bitumen... but don't blame the feature for the fools who don't get when to use it. When it's foggy, it's good to have them.

What's far worse is all the try hards with HIDs in non-projector fixtures...

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Fog lights should be used in extreme fog conditions, when visibility is near zero and you are driving extremely slowly, with your headlights turned off.

Instead, I see people driving with both their headlights and fog lights on, in benign conditions (non-challenging conditions that do not warrant the use of any lights other than standard headlights). Throwing additional lumens at on-coming traffic in these conditions can somewhat blind oncoming traffic, who could hit you. Some people are very sensitive to too much light.
It sounds to me like your problem has more to do with poorly aimed fog lights and/or after market installs. Factory fog lights are aimed so that they only light up the road directly in front of the car. Personally, I've never had any problems with factory fog lights blinding me.

I do agree that poorly aimed fog lights and driving lights are dangerous. Most of these are mods or additions and not factory. I disagree that you should have your headlights turned off while using them. It's even illegal in some places.

Still, even though they do get misused and people do improper installs, they are an important safety feature in heavy rain, snow, and fog.

My pet peeve about a missing feature on most cars is mud flaps. I'm a firm believer that ALL cars should require mud flaps. There is nothing like running down the road during the winter and being sand blasted by the vehicle in front of me or having a rock bounce off the windshield.
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It sounds to me like your problem has more to do with poorly aimed fog lights and/or after market installs. Factory fog lights are aimed so that they only light up the road directly in front of the car. Personally, I've never had any problems with factory fog lights blinding me.

I do agree that poorly aimed fog lights and driving lights are dangerous. Most of these are mods or additions and not factory. I disagree that you should have your headlights turned off while using them. It's even illegal in some places.

Still, even though they do get misused and people do improper installs, they are an important safety feature in heavy rain, snow, and fog.

My pet peeve about a missing feature on most cars is mud flaps. I'm a firm believer that ALL cars should require mud flaps. There is nothing like running down the road during the winter and being sand blasted by the vehicle in front of me or having a rock bounce off the windshield.
I was with you 100% until that last paragraph; if you're getting hit by stones, you mostly likely are driving too close to the guy ahead of you.

For myself:
+ diesel in Laredo; the cheapest diesel here is in overland trim, a $25,000 increase over the Laredo. Ridiculous.
+ 4x4
+ flipper (hope they bring that back before my next upgrade!)
+ bluetooth connectivity (calling / receiving calls, plus streaming music)
+ keyless entry

- leather seats
- cd players and other physical media storage etc
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