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Isn't there a TSB for this one?
Yes. Several. Didn't fix mine.

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Old 09-17-2014, 12:21 AM
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Re: Issue free

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It is called reductio ad absurdum. Your reaction illustrates my point that "issues" is a subjective term that is defined by the individual. Semantics have to be established or the question is ambiguous

What I considered to be "issues" perhaps someone else would not. The "hot cabin" debacle was something that did not bother many owners (the behavior was apparently by design) even when they confirmed their vehicles demonstrated the behavior. Other owners tried to lemon their vehicles over it.

So, what's an issue? Since the OP didn't stipulate a definition for his ambiguous terminology, others are left to post their experiences and let others judge for themselves. I imagine that if we took a consensus viewpoint, the OP's Jeep has "issues".

My Jeep? Maybe the consensus viewpoint would be it has had issues, but maybe not.

As you correctly perceived, everyone blithely accepts less than perfection in many aspects of a vehicle (e.g. tires holding pressure).



Having to fill your tires isn't an issue. A tire losing air isn't an issue unless the tire is actually damaged or not working properly. Air loss is "normal". I think to be considered having an issue the vehicle would have to operate/function in a way other than what was intended by the manufacturer.

The tire manufacturer didn't put out a faulty product in need of repair just because the tire pressure plummeted after a really cold night.

Tires lose air, transmissions clunk, nav systems fail, sunroofs freeze, windows rattle, engines blow, leather seats tear, but only one of those "issues" is actually a normal, expected occurrence.

I don't think it's as deep as you're trying to make it. I think it's simple. Either it's working like it's supposed to or it isn't. Washing it, changing the oil, keeping proper tire pressure, that's just maintenance.

If while washing the car you find a dent, that's an issue. If while changing the oil you find a leak, that's an issue.

That concludes today's lesson on the difference between regular maintenance and "issues".

Side note, when in your life during a conversation about issues experienced with vehicles did you or anyone you know chime in with "I had to put air in my tires yesterday, what a piece of junk that car is"

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Re: Issue free

I have a 2013 G/C altitude, got it 12/1/12 right now just shy of 16,000 mi. only issue is the front fascia clip under the right headlight which I just ignore and live with. think it might be worse if I let the dealer remove the entire fascia just to replace a 10 cent clip. other than that, its been perfect.
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Old 09-17-2014, 09:54 AM
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So, what's an issue? Since the OP didn't stipulate a definition for his ambiguous terminology...
Exactly the thought that has crossed my mind several times in this thread. one person's "major problem" is the next person's "minor, correctable annoyance". My Jeep is far from "perfect", but I cannot claim it's had "issues"...where my definition of an issue is something serious, such as a major component failure, etc. There have been some "minor, correctable annoyances" for sure. And they were corrected. In fact, my JGC has been the best vehicle I've ever owned, seconded by my previous Toyota Hylander Hybrid Limited which was similarly "issue" free and only slightly less comfortable.
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In a thread like this, I always think/hope that many of the responses are just for $hits and giggles. If they were all serious, I really feel sorry for the folks who make them.



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Reading comprehension isn't very high among Jeep owners I guess. I asked who has had no problems. Even saying you have had problems answers the thread.
Reading comprehension is probably a bit higher than tolerance for wanna be net-dictators.

Heard rumors that there is "another forum" if excessive censoring of readers/commentors is more to one's liking.
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Reading comprehension is probably a bit higher than tolerance for wanna be net-dictators.

Heard rumors that there is "another forum" if excessive censoring of readers/commentors is more to one's liking.
Yup don't get it or care.
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Re: Issue free

My first one wore through a transmission cooler line at 369 miles because it was built with the line touching the front driveline. I got Chrysler to agree to an almost straight across trade into another new one, citing trans oil all over the place, almost certain transmission damage (it started groaning on downshifts) and significant deconstruction necessary to get the line replaced.

The second one has been trouble free for about 2700 miles. A couple doors are not sitting as flush as I'd like (they look like they're not latched all the way) so I'll be taking it to the dealer one of these days to get that corrected along with loading the latest flash for the 8HP70.
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Exactly the thought that has crossed my mind several times in this thread. one person's "major problem" is the next person's "minor, correctable annoyance". My Jeep is far from "perfect", but I cannot claim it's had "issues"...
Yes, that's my point. There were modes of operation that annoyed me that other owners found acceptable. Were those "issues"?

Regardless, it's moot as of this morning because the vehicle crossed an objective threshold by throwing P20E9 and P204F codes: "Service DEF System See Dealer".

So my Jeep may or may not have been issue free for approximately 9 months, depending on whose perspective you prefer; however, its indeterminate innocence is now rescinded as of today.
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Zero issues here!!
I just traded in my 2012 and ordered a 2015.
Overland 5.7 both. Never had a problem. Went off road and butchered the tires. Still no problems.
I had several jeep GC, from 1998 to 2006. And now 2012 till today. Had a Range Rover and Mercedes GL in between.
Had way more issues with the GL then all the jeeps together.
Only trouble I had is a sensor that went bad and engine would stall back on 2002 once.
I guess it's the luck of the draw.
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Re: Issue free

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It is called reductio ad absurdum. Your reaction illustrates my point that "issues" is a subjective term that is defined by the individual. Semantics have to be established or the question is ambiguous

What I considered to be "issues" perhaps someone else would not. The "hot cabin" debacle was something that did not bother many owners (the behavior was apparently by design) even when they confirmed their vehicles demonstrated the behavior. Other owners tried to lemon their vehicles over it.

So, what's an issue? Since the OP didn't stipulate a definition for his ambiguous terminology, others are left to post their experiences and let others judge for themselves. I imagine that if we took a consensus viewpoint, the OP's Jeep has "issues".

My Jeep? Maybe the consensus viewpoint would be it has had issues, but maybe not.

As you correctly perceived, everyone blithely accepts less than perfection in many aspects of a vehicle (e.g. tires holding pressure).
I think the vast majority of people (or owners, if you want to be specific) would agree on what constitutes an issue or not. Just for shits n' giggles, consider the absurd comment about tires losing air pressure. Is that an issue? Well, we have to use some common sense here. It's generally accepted that tire pressure does vary over time. While opinions may vary, I'd say it's relatively safe to assume that a drop in pressure of, say, 5 psi in a day is definitely an issue, as the tire would be flat in the matter of a few days if air wasn't added. At the same time a drop of 1 psi over a month or so wouldn't be considered an issue by anyone with an ounce of common sense. So call it whatever makes you happy, but when the OP talks about having/not having issues, I certainly know what he means.

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that people start arguing semantics when it comes to "issues" on a Jeep forum. The fact of the matter is that these vehicles are on the lower end of the reliability rankings and it's probably a good idea to keep that in mind when leasing/purchasing one.
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Old 09-26-2014, 07:46 AM
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Re: Issue free

I purchased my 2014 grand Cherokee altitude and a 2014 Cherokee altitude a few months ago and both have about 2k miles on it.

No major issues "knock on wood"

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*cant stand the cd player
*cant find a good place to keep my phone
*very minimal kick in trans but only when im slowing down and then tap the gas.
*hate the recirculating option turning off (mainly due to allergies)

-Cherokee-
*small clicking noise from dash
*steering/wheel shake upon acceleration


I did not purchase the navi code because i use waze on my phone even when my old sonata had a navi lol
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