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Just for grins and giggles....

Has anyone slapped a measuring instrument up-side the sticks to get real numbers so that they can tell uninforms folks like me which is the appropriate length?

Keep it clean folks. I'm talking about comparing the dipsticks...for the lubricant....for the engines.

Sheesh........
here is a pic from earlier in thread of the 2 side by side showing length and op range difference...

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Old 11-12-2015, 12:25 PM
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Re: Its the dipstick! On the hemi

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There is the oil smoke that goes with the dip stick debacle as many of the Hemis have likely been over filled, that smoke is more blue than white and hangs around vs quickly dissipating. Then there is that white more steam looking smoke you get when starting when colder. One thing I will say about that is I get more of that white smoke when on this jeep then any other vehicle I have ever had. If that is what you are seeing then its normal for whatever reason the hemi in this jeep just belches a lot of it in the cold.
Thanks, you've "eased my pain" a bit. This was a bit bluish white, and it did hang around. That's what scared me about it. Not like steam that dissipates very quickly. I know in cold weather as the pipes heat up, they emit steam as you drive, until the condensation burns off, as they come up to temperature and dry out.

I know the engine isn't burning oil on a continuous basis because the dipstick shows no oil loss, and the inside of the pipes are spotless. If you are burning all the time the pipes will show sooty deposits on the inside. It doesn't take much.

So I'm hoping the new dipstick will read correctly. If it does, and shows I'm overfilled by half a quart, I'm just going to change the oil and filter, rather than trying to just drain off half a quart. Attempting to replace a drain plug while oil is gushing out of the hole, is a sure fire way to burn yourself and make a big mess at the same time. For a lousy $25.00 I'll just change it. Besides, I've got a new Fumoto Drain Valve I've been wanting to install anyway. I'll just do it a bit sooner.
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Re: Its the dipstick! On the hemi

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here is a pic from earlier in thread of the 2 side by side showing length and op range difference...

Its the dipstick! On the hemi
THX.

But just in case a reader might not have both dipsticks in hand, but still wants to figure out if he has the right stick or not....

How long is the right stick?

Sorry...Im more of a numbers kinda guy and less...well...you know...

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Old 11-12-2015, 01:36 PM
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Re: Its the dipstick! On the hemi

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THX.

But just in case a reader might not have both dipsticks in hand, but still wants to figure out if he has the right stick or not....

How long is the right stick?

Sorry...Im more of a numbers kinda guy and less...well...you know...

LOL
They are stamped with part number so AC is old/wrong, AD is the new longer one. AC dipstick is 24.0" end to top of dipstick tube or bottom ring of dipstick handle ring. AD is about 1/2 longer.

Pictured is old/wrong AC dipstick. Don't have the new one as I decided to just get a new '16 SRT instead with the correct one factory installed!
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OK, I remote started my 2015, 5.7 Grand Cherokee this morning, and for the first time I got a puff of white smoke out of the tailpipes. I changed the oil and filter at 1,000 miles, and like many, it took 7-1/2 quarts of 20W-50 Pennzoil Full Synthetic to bring it up to the "FULL" mark on the dipstick. The car was delivered new with the oil at the "FULL" mark. So I did not alter the amount from when I purchased it. It's never smoked before in almost 1,500 miles of driving.

I don't know if this had anything to do with it, but this morning it was the coldest it's ever been since I bought it back last April. (42F). So anyway, I finally decided to order the correct dipstick. The one the vehicle came with is the "AC" suffix number, and I ordered the most recent "AD" suffix number. He told me he would have it in first thing tomorrow morning. It was only a few bucks more than on line, so I went with it. He told me a lot of the ones ordered on line come in bent. He assured me that would not be the case.

Anyway, if the new dipstick is visibly longer, I'll swap it out and drain out a half quart, and hopefully I'll be good to go. If not I'm in deep trouble, because otherwise it's something major like valve guides or a major internal problem. But I've heard a lot of these things smoked on startup, and the cause was the crankcase was overfilled. We'll see. In the meantime I'll just worry and hope.
White smoke?
On the rare occasion where I've gotten the startup puffs, they were typical bluish oil type puffs--usually from idling with the engine pointed slightly uphill.
I have the old dipstick, but just had the dealer put in standard oil fill and now just apply Kentucky windage and leave it a tad below max for the rare twixt-fill top off.

One of these days I may upgrade to the AD... or not.
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...and leave it a tad below max...
FWIW, Lightninrod's pic of the two (edited for zoom) says that max of range on new AD stick is right at bottom range on the old AC stick so to not be overfilled using the old AC stick one would need to be somewhere around the "ADD"...anything higher is overfilled, technically.
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FWIW, Lightninrod's pic of the two (edited for zoom) says that max of range on new AD stick is right at bottom range on the old AC stick so to not be overfilled using the old AC stick one would need to be somewhere around the "ADD"...anything higher is overfilled, technically.
Yah, but at 42Kmiles, I still haven't used but less than a gallon for top ups between changes and have had only 3 "blue puff" incidents all of which were my fault for idling on a very hot day uphill for too long.

It was low after the change where I asked for 7 quarts exactly, but I would call it a full quart low as the TSB indicated. So I topped it up just a teeny tad at home and kept driving. Am frankly surprised at the low oil consumption, being familiar with the '60s hemis.
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Yah, but at 42Kmiles, I still haven't used but less than a gallon for top ups between changes and have had only 3 "blue puff" incidents all of which were my fault for idling on a very hot day uphill for too long.

It was low after the change where I asked for 7 quarts exactly, but I would call it a full quart low as the TSB indicated. So I topped it up just a teeny tad at home and kept driving. Am frankly surprised at the low oil consumption, being familiar with the '60s hemis.
I use .5qt ish every 5k or so. I drive like I stole it tho...
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Yah, but at 42Kmiles, I still haven't used but less than a gallon for top ups between changes and have had only 3 "blue puff" incidents all of which were my fault for idling on a very hot day uphill for too long.

It was low after the change where I asked for 7 quarts exactly, but I would call it a full quart low as the TSB indicated. So I topped it up just a teeny tad at home and kept driving. Am frankly surprised at the low oil consumption, being familiar with the '60s hemis.
I'd be surprised if the new HEMI's burned ANY oil. For one thing, constantly burning oil plays hell with the catalytic converters over time. Not to mention you will quickly flunk any of the stringent emission tests so many states have, that you must pass in order to get tags. A late model engine burning oil can quickly turn into a nightmare.

I once read that a small 10" bar chain saw, burning one small tank of fuel / oil mix produces over twice the hydrocarbons of a modern V-8 driving coast to coast. It's why many lawn and garden power tools have gone to small 4- Stroke engines. 2 Stroke outboard engines are going the way of the horse and buggy as well for the same reasons. Oil in the combustion chambers is bad news.
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I'd be surprised if the new HEMI's burned ANY oil. For one thing, constantly burning oil plays hell with the catalytic converters over time. Not to mention you will quickly flunk any of the stringent emission tests so many states have, that you must pass in order to get tags. A late model engine burning oil can quickly turn into a nightmare.

I once read that a small 10" bar chain saw, burning one small tank of fuel / oil mix produces over twice the hydrocarbons of a modern V-8 driving coast to coast. It's why many lawn and garden power tools have gone to small 4- Stroke engines. 2 Stroke outboard engines are going the way of the horse and buggy as well for the same reasons. Oil in the combustion chambers is bad news.
They do as evidenced by scores of us using oil catch cans...they r never empty/dry
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^^^^I was thinking I had seen an info only TSB on Oil Consumption...its a crazy read...according to it, as an aggressive driver, I am supposed to munch 1 qt PER 500 MILES! Even the regular driving consumption rate is 1qt every 2k for the first 50k....yikes, anybody munching this much oil? This looks like a CYA "Ya, it uses oil, don't bother us" bulletin....it also says its for all gas engines and does not diffferentiate the 3.6 from the 5.7 or the 6.4....crazy man...

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...according to it, as an aggressive driver, I am supposed to munch 1 qt PER 500 MILES!
I can't think of a state that has loose enough hydrocarbon emissions testing on late model vehicles, that would allow passage of a vehicle consuming that much oil. Basically Chrysler is saying your engine is fine if it consumes so much oil you can't get tags to drive it. I'm not saying your information is wrong. It's just ridiculous for Chrysler to put out something like that. Because it's going to cause monumental problems for anyone who is actually consuming that much oil, and expects to drive their vehicle in most states that do emission testing.

To expose the total foolishness of that statement, (Chrysler's, not yours). Take any V-8 vehicle that has a 400+ mile range on a tankful, and dump in 3/4 of a quart of oil into the tank before you fill up. Then go have it emissions tested. There isn't a single state where you'll pass. Then what? You'll have Chrysler telling you that your engine is just fine, and a state that won't license it.
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