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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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you have your beliefs and I will have mine
Well, I would have expected some more content to base your beliefs on.
Have you really taken a minute to compare the moose test video with the EURONCAP one? I think the matter is important enough not just to pass away like you are doing. Maybe your beliefs are not as sound as they used to be


Please try to demonstrate my beliefs wrong. By the way, mines are based on the CRD Overland with Air suspension that I drive daily. Have you driven one with Quadra Lift?


Does your Durango have the Air Suspension?


Please open your eyes, the Grand Cherokee is a great vehicle and that is why I bought one and I am not discussing such obviousness, that is why I bought one. So many awards cannot be wrong, but this very point of the air suspension has not been designed properly and these Swedish guys have found a very uncomfortable thing for Jeep. I would just like to prevent everyone in case they even think about this type of suspension. Not to say about the erratic behavior of the software that controls it. Just as an example, if I leave the car parked for some days in the park height, when I start the engine it will go to normal height by itself even with the driver door open… and it is supposed not to operate if any of the doors are opened.


I would rather continue the discussion with someone capable of adding some personal impressions on their Quadra Lifts or commenting on the abnormal bouncing that is not just a believe, it is on tape, man!!!
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:09 PM
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ahhahahahahahahaha...youre beating a dead horse buddy
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

I was a bit surprised by what felt like a bit of instability driving on the curvy and bumpy section of I84 through Hartford Ct in the middle of the night a bit over the speed limit with a fully loaded Overland (sport mode). Unsafe, no I wouldn't call it that, but a little unnerving. I'd be interested in better shock control should they become available. The rears shocks are separate pieces and I think could be improved relatively easily, the fronts are integrated with the air spring, however. Dunno if the STR8 pieces fit.

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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

I agree it might not look totally unsafe while you drive under standard conditions but you had the same feeling than I had at the beginning... there is something wrong.

Then if you add to that feeling what the videos show and think about an evasive maneuver under the driving conditions you mentioned, then you loose all the confidence. Finally if you hit a big bump fully loaded then your worries get confirmed, it takes 2 or 3 bounces (like in the moose test) until it becomes steady again and one bounce should be enough.

Have a look on the following video.
It is worth watching it all but you can jump directly to minute 2:06. The effect of inefficient shock absorbers is comparable to the Air suspension behavior.

(Scott, do you believe now?)

I also think that the rear shock can be replaced without problems, but the front ones would have to be replaced with the ones of the ML and the nitrogen refilled.

Perhaps the ADS module from the SRT would be compatible but I would just prefer a switch to control it (my choice would be the sport setting for on road and the comfort one for off road)
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

I have felt the same unnerving instability on long fast highway bumps. My opinion is the shocks in the air suspension are too soft. And, Scott, I didn't buy this great vehicle to do any races but I did buy it to be a safe tourer and I do feel an improvement of the shocks are necessary.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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ahhahahahahahahaha...youre beating a dead horse buddy
I wonder what would happen if you had the allowable payload on the roof bars?
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How the hell did you vaginas survive before cars were made smart enough to TRY to counteract stupid driving. At the end of the day your a FOOL to expect a car to save you and your family because you were not paying close enough attention to the road.

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How the hell did you vaginas survive before cars were made smart enough to TRY to counteract stupid driving. At the end of the day your a FOOL to expect a car to save you and your family because you were not paying close enough attention to the road.

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If I wouldn’t have been paying attention, then I would have hit the moose or whatever would have been in front of me (perhaps you…) and by the way, many did not survive to the ford explorer roll over issues (just as an example) and most probably they were paying a lot of attention. Wheels, shocks etc. are critical for stability. Jeep got a great independent suspension but the architecture of the suspension is worth nothing if the shocks or the springs are inadequate.


Please everybody wake up, the shock absorbers of our Quadra Lift’s are not adequate. I am happy to see that we are all getting aware of this problem and Jeep must address it.
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How the hell did you vaginas survive before cars were made smart enough to TRY to counteract stupid driving. At the end of the day your a FOOL to expect a car to save you and your family because you were not paying close enough attention to the road.
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I said nothing about how you guys drive or ANYTHING about how I feel I drive, I simply stated that you guys feel a 40k dollar vehicle is supposed to drive your car for you when making pannic manuvers. The crash test ratings speak for themselves, this is a safe vehicle, yes it may not be able to yet drive the car for you but if and when a crash or roll over happens you have a cabin full of airbags to help you survive... IT IS AN EFFING CAR, you drive it off the lot and it looses 10k in value but somehow using witchcraft or magic they are supposed to prevent a rollover using ONLY brake application and torque managment. GET REAL!

20 years ago people were not bitching because their tall skinny SUV didnt have the brains to prevent itself from rolling over, they just drove carefully and when an event came up and it did roll over they were much more likely to be seriously hurt.

also suggesting that taking suspension from another vehicle to repair a suspension "concern" further indicates your level of knowledge beyond the conspiracy theory videos you have clearly been spending plenty of time watching, sure, taking suspension from a different vehicle with different suspension geometry, different weight and distribution and magically its going to be better? I thought your whole argument was you needed a good shock for the vehicle, so surely your not talking about taking random suspension to replace suspension that was made for this application.
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You cannot expect to see everything coming and in a panic maneuver you would like the electronic nannies to actually work. Being the JGC was given such an excellent review in its safety systems, there is something amiss here.

And to answer your question, YES I expect the safety system to WORK and save me if I need them to, not to drive the car, but to help me avoid the trouble.

Either there is a problem or there is not a problem. Either way the Moose test has shone the spotlight on the fact there "may" be a problem with the ESP or tires on Export models.
The issue I am having is they way Jeep has tried to discredit the test, then when present at the test and seen it first hand with 6 tires blowing, gone all quiet.

I am about's to travel 600mi in my Jeep with a full loaded car, including my 3 kids. This test sits very much in my mind as I know I could be at risk if bad shit happens. I cannot predict everything that I may encounter on the trip, but I would like to have the feeling that IF bad things happen the ESP and/or tires will not let me down. Seeing that video has made me lose confidence in the cars safety systems, until it is proven wrong or a fix is released.
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... has made me lose confidence in the cars ...
And thats your problem, you have an suv not a car, big difference in center of gravity.


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