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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

It's seems as thought the limited model on the NCAP test using regular springs and shocks performed much better. Not the same test I know, but still looks a lot more composed. Maybe rather than being a problem with the ESC it's more of a problem with the QL?
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It's seems as thought the limited model on the NCAP test using regular springs and shocks performed much better. Not the same test I know, but still looks a lot more composed. Maybe rather than being a problem with the ESC it's more of a problem with the QL?
It is indeed a problem with the QL. Read some posts of mine back. By the way, now that you mention the EURONCAP tests, the front offset crash ended up with a bad result and guess what the reply from Jeep was... Basically "we will do nothing", same as with this Bouncy Lift suspension issue. I can't really believe this brand and their careless behavior regarding safety. I quote it next (you can also find it here http://www.euroncap.com/results/jeep...011/460.aspx):

"In the frontal impact, the driver's inboard seat rail was found to have very nearly broken in two, and was mainly held together only by the threaded steel rod which controls fore-aft adjustment of the seat. The break occurred just at the point where the lower anchorage for the driver's seat belt attaches to the rail, and is thought to have been caused by the high tensile forces in the belt during the test. As a result, there was additional forward movement of the dummy which contributed to 'bottoming out' of the airbag i.e. there was insufficient pressure in the airbag to prevent the driver's head from making contact, through the fabric of the airbag, with the steering wheel rim. Euro NCAP has been informed that Jeep are investigating the cause of the seat rail failure and intend to improve the seat track design, but have no current plans to re-work existing vehicles"

Do you guys believe this is the way Jeep should address safety issues? It could appear there is a pattern on how Jeep deals with these matters if they are highlighted in foreign markets. Perhaps EURONCAP is also a not trustable source same as the moose test guys are...
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:33 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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It is indeed a problem with the QL. Read some posts of mine back. By the way, now that you mention the EURONCAP tests, the front offset crash ended up with a bad result and guess what the reply from Jeep was... Basically "we will do nothing", same as with this Bouncy Lift suspension issue. I can't really believe this brand and their careless behavior regarding safety. I quote it next (you can also find it here http://www.euroncap.com/results/jeep/grand_cherokee/2011/460.aspx):

"In the frontal impact, the driver's inboard seat rail was found to have very nearly broken in two, and was mainly held together only by the threaded steel rod which controls fore-aft adjustment of the seat. The break occurred just at the point where the lower anchorage for the driver's seat belt attaches to the rail, and is thought to have been caused by the high tensile forces in the belt during the test. As a result, there was additional forward movement of the dummy which contributed to 'bottoming out' of the airbag i.e. there was insufficient pressure in the airbag to prevent the driver's head from making contact, through the fabric of the airbag, with the steering wheel rim. Euro NCAP has been informed that Jeep are investigating the cause of the seat rail failure and intend to improve the seat track design, but have no current plans to re-work existing vehicles"

Do you guys believe this is the way Jeep should address safety issues? It could appear there is a pattern on how Jeep deals with these matters if they are highlighted in foreign markets. Perhaps EURONCAP is also a not trustable source same as the moose test guys are...
by bad result you mean 4* out of a maximum 5*, OK.
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:50 AM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

I dont think people watched the comparison videos with the VW, they are NOT driving the comparison vehicles as the same manner as they are the Jeep. They oversteering the Jeep compared to the VW also they are driving much faster in the grand cherokee then they are the VW people are over reacting to this... Also its a foreign test, of course they dont want them to buy Jeep.
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I dont think people watched the comparison videos with the VW, they are NOT driving the comparison vehicles as the same manner as they are the Jeep. They oversteering the Jeep compared to the VW also they are driving much faster in the grand cherokee then they are the VW people are over reacting to this... Also its a foreign test, of course they dont want them to buy Jeep.

Well Consumer Reports also experienced the same thing while testing.
The other cars don't look like their driving them the same because the stability controls are kicking in and slowing the vehicle down and stabilizing it...That's also what the jeep should look like when making that maneuver...That was the whole point the computer wasn't activating the rollover safety features of the vehicle.

With that said IMO the other two vehicles were not good caparison vehicles to choose.
I consider them more of a cross-over type vehicle, (closer to the ground and with more of a car ride). The jeep is more of a SUV. More in line with the Toyota 4runner, Honda Pilot, Ford Explore, BMW X5, and Land Rover. Even tho some of those vehicles are also lower to the ground then the jeep, I think they would have been better comparison vehicles.
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Do you guys believe this is the way Jeep should address safety issues?
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Just saw this on the net, seems skateboarders also fail the Moose test.

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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

So is this "failed" test specific to the QL models and not standard suspension?
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by bad result you mean 4* out of a maximum 5*, OK.
Yes, very bad result.

Just as an example, a 2003 Kia Sorento also got 4* out of a maximum 5*.

I really expected a lot more from a 2011 GC, didn't you?

You see, here in Europe the price for a 2012 CRD Overland GC is about EURO 68.000.

The most expensive 2012 Kia Sorento is about EURO 37.000 (this year's model is not tested yet, we will see if it gets more than 4*). A 2003 model like the one that got the same 4* would have cost what, about 32.000?

Don't get mad at me for the comparison, it is just an example... For more than double the price, I am getting lots of things: the best off-road handling, great interior and many other great features that make the GC the best SUV in its class, but for the safety! And this is all I complain about!

In this last aspect I really would at least expect the driver's seat rails not to brake in a crash test so the airbag could work as it should and the test be a 5* one (If I crash my GC in a similar condition I would rather prefer no hitting the steering wheel with the face because of this). I would also expect a safe air suspension, and I would also expect the Jeep brand to care about these matters and not just ignore them, because I am a client that would like to buy more Jeep models in the future instead of buying Kia ones (I do not really like them).

But perhaps its just me being a little bit exigent with all these safety stuff. I just believe closing our eyes or justifying the safety results as sufficient ones will not make the Jeep brand better. It will just discredit it. It will definitively not improve our cars and in safety matters, this attitude will not be of any help to any of us if we are unlucky and have an accident.

The guy in the skateboard, one post above, surely was a great skater but there was no way to avoid that accident, same could happen to us while driving and I would be gratefull to Jeep if they show some interest about it, just some interest and not answers like we will do nothing, I did not pay all that money for such a careless way for Jeep to deal with such important matters.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

safety features are one area of car design I buy with no intention of using.

If all cars attained 5*, your test is flawed and needs to be reworked, was the 2003 test the same as 2011?
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safety features are one area of car design I buy with no intention of using.

If all cars attained 5*, your test is flawed and needs to be reworked, was the 2003 test the same as 2011?
Well put!
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