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Old 10-18-2012, 05:52 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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So agree with your comment of swerving back onto your driving line why would you do that if you have missed hitting the object, as for the test I didn't observe any braking attempt. I just completed a driver safety course and used my own JGC for it and I am very impressed on how the vehicle performed. I feel very comfortable knowing that if a child runs onto the road in front of me or a truck pulls out or the sky starts to fall my JGC will do well. Did three 100kph emergency stops and if there was a "moose" in front of me I certainly would not have been required to replicate that BS moose test as the car handled perfectly. I now know why I brought a JGC, so to the authors who want to keep defending the moose test go outside and get some fresh air then get in your JGC and take it on a test track and see if you are competent enough to even own one?????
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:40 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

I read on another forum recently about a guy who swerved to avoid a deer, went down an embankment and has now had 6 surgeries for a broken arm and amputating his leg, first below the knee, and now above the knee.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:04 AM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Thats, a bummer, he must not have had the Jeeps advanced invincibility cloak turned on at the time... WTF do you think is going to happen if you drive a car off the road. This goes back to poor driving and poor choices made. If you think a story about joe schmoe driving his car off the road proves ANY point you are crazy lady. Have you seen how some people drive? let alone someone who may have been 3/4ths asleep and freaked the hell out when the deer showed up in his headlights... Even that is giving some people a break, some people just make HORRIBLE decisions without the fear of god in them.

Thank you for the story though.... He is lucky he has his life, if you want to just share random accident storys I am sure I can find multiple fatailty accidents in EVERY vehicle... airbags, seatbelts and stability control dont make you invincible.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:37 AM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

He knows he made a huge mistake. My point is that it's often better to hit the animal or vehicle than it is to swerve. If it helps just one person avoid rolling their car or swerving off an embankment or into an oncoming vehicle or semi, then it was worth posting in this "swerve to avoid" thread.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:16 PM
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He knows he made a huge mistake. My point is that it's often better to hit the animal or vehicle than it is to swerve. If it helps just one person avoid rolling their car or swerving off an embankment or into an oncoming vehicle or semi, then it was worth posting in this "swerve to avoid" thread.

Also, for insurance purposes you're better off hitting the animal as then you'll have proof of what actually caused the accident.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:55 PM
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Depends on the animal. I once totaled a vehicle swerving to avoid a dog in the road (icy Alaskan streets). I swore that if that happened to me again I'd hit it instead. I know that sounds terrible but I'm lucky I wasn't injured. If it were a thousand pound moose though, I'd try like hell not to run into it.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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Depends on the animal. I once totaled a vehicle swerving to avoid a dog in the road (icy Alaskan streets). I swore that if that happened to me again I'd hit it instead. I know that sounds terrible but I'm lucky I wasn't injured. If it were a thousand pound moose though, I'd try like hell not to run into it.
I fully agree with you. Hitting a moose has nothing to do with hitting a dog.

The problem with moose is they are very tall and heavy. Just have a look on the following pictures and videos.

VOLVO crash test simulating a moose crash...



FORD F150 after a moose crash (could we say the frontal height and shape of the F150 is comparable to the WK2? I would agree with that)

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Hit the moose only if you drive a trailer...

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I would rather have the leg amputated than the head. And all those saying "I would brake, my brakes are excellent and I have tested them" please note that the "dangerous" moose are the ones which appear suddenly and very close to you and that is why the failed test does not apply brakes. It is the worst situation, the animal typically jumps on the road in front of you and this is what causes the accident pictures, they did not even have time to avoid it and this is what typically happens. Of course if it jumps at a distance in which you can brake, then do so, it is obviously better... but never crash into a moose if you can try to avoid it.

Please do not discuss about these facts, it would be better to discuss about the problem with the Air Suspension of the WK2 and how it is affecting stability. It is not stiff enough in extensions, that is the only problem.

WK2 with standard suspension are fine and that is why the failed test was not repeated with standard suspension (compare it with EURONCAP one which is made with standard suspension and see how the bouncing due to the softness of the air suspension in extensions is the problem... That is causing the car to jump in the air and loose control. The magazine could have tested both types of suspension (they tested a total of 4 cars and the majority of WK2 are not quadralift, but that sells less magazines). This does not change the fact that the standard suspension is ok as seen in other tests.

By the way, the German test that was claimed to be passed some days later did not specify the type of suspension (at least I have not been able to find it)

All this would be fixable with ADS added to the WK2, same as Mercedes, Audi and WW do.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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He knows he made a huge mistake. My point is that it's often better to hit the animal or vehicle than it is to swerve. If it helps just one person avoid rolling their car or swerving off an embankment or into an oncoming vehicle or semi, then it was worth posting in this "swerve to avoid" thread.
I think thats the whole point of "The Moose Test" hit a dog, wolf, or deer and you risk damage to your Jeep, possibly in an extreme case some personal injury.

Hit a Moose on the other hand a very large, and tall animal that can weigh over a 1000lbs, with that 1000lbs at windshield height and vehicle occupants are at risk for extreme injury or even death!
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:41 PM
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how many people a year do moose kill? LOL
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how many people a year do moose kill? LOL
I don't know about moose, but deer kill a whole bunch. More than sharks, bears, alligators, and snakes combined (in North America.)

The problem is in places like New Jersey, it's too densely populated to shoot the deer, but all of their natural predators are gone. Thus the automobile assumes the role of population control - with occasional deadly results for the human behind the wheel.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

well theres no moose here just kangaroos and maybe a cow, someone swerving like that here in all likelihood will end up on the wrong side of the road and have a head on, swerving at speed is extremely dangerous regardless of what ur in. I cannot imagine any car being able to successfully avoid a moose on an icy road so its a non event for me.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:12 AM
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how many people a year do moose kill? LOL
No LOL about it;

Alaskan roads and highways contributes to about 10 major injuries and one or two roadway fatalities each year [source: Alaska Department of Transportation]. From 1996 to 2006, 17 people died from moose-related car crashes [source: Alaska Department of Transportation].
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