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Old 10-24-2012, 12:26 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Emergency maneuvers safety should not be taken lightly. Moose or not, there can be other objects on the road that people will try to avoid. Example, driving behind a truck when something falls out of the truck bed and you want to avoid that.

Couple of years ago, I witnessed this, not exactly an emergency maneuver, but very similar emergency lane changing. I was on my bike going home (rush hour traffic) on a 4 lane highway and was right behind this SUV (Chevy something) when I saw this lady starting to move to the right lane where a Jeep GC was. I was thinking to myself that she is going to hit the Jeep and I moved to the left lane, quickly pass the SUV and barely got ahead of her. As I am watching her, she realizes the Jeep in the lane, panics and quickly steers left to her lane and lost control. She immediately starts to roll over and all this at 40-50 mph or so. As I am looking in my right rear view mirror, I see this big underside of the SUV coming towards me in my lane. I accelerate quickly and I see the SUV rolling behind me. Thank goodness I was on my bike that can accelerate very quickly...

This was not even as bad a maneuver as what we saw in the so called "moose test", but I think if there were proper safety electronics at work, the SUV would not have rolled over. I understand that the electronics can only do so much and the laws of physics take over after a certain point. I think Jeep's problems has to do with the air suspension not able to quickly dampen and react to the lane change causing the body to excessively roll.

I did watch some test videos of Euroncap roll over tests and the Jeep did fine. Like someone else mentioned here, I wonder why the Swedish mag did not perform the similar test w/ standard steel suspensions. I also wonder why Jeep did not release their own video of a similar test w/ air suspension to discredit the Swedish Mag test.

Fifth Gear show recently did a test on the VSC safety feature and they tried to make several cars/vans and none of them let them lose control of the car and spin. They then disabled the feature on a car and it rolled over. See link below.

Fifth Gear Season 21 Episode 03 - YouTube

Agreed that most of the drivers will very likely run into any object that is in their path, mostly because they are not watching the road. I call them passengers behind the wheel. But these "moose" tests are getting standard on all the vehicles these days and Jeep should have performed better in my opinion.

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Old 10-24-2012, 07:18 PM
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So 17 people died in 10 years from hitting a moose. How many died from swerving to avoid an object and losing control?

I can tell you that number is much higher than 17 in 10 years on my stretch of highway. Almost all of our crashes are a result of swerve right, swerve left, roll.


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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

You think the WK2 did poorly, check out this test of the Toyota GT86 (known in the US as the Subaru BRZ or Scion FR-S)

Toyota GT 86 fails moose test - YouTube
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:35 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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If you watch, they use a LOT more steering in the Jeep. In fact, he goes full lock, then opposite full lock in the Jeep, whereas in the others, you can clearly see that they use a lot less steering, and they actually have a noticeable pause where the vehicle isn't receiving any steering input at all.

Bottom line? Hit the damn moose, and don't try to swerve like an idiot. You can't control the vehicle well enough to do that, and the vehicle isn't designed for that sort of thing. Hit the moose, get a new car. Simple as that.
I noticed that too. Also, I learned a long time ago that you have to bite the bullet and just hit the animal. I hate to say that, but it's just true. Lastly, aren't the other two cars mentions lower to the ground and more of a crossover?
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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Also, for insurance purposes you're better off hitting the animal as then you'll have proof of what actually caused the accident.
The proof is always in the glovebox in a zip-lock bag and that would be some deer hair. that would be used when your off roading and wreck it
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Guys, there is a lot more to this story. I heard about this and read up about it and still bough my GC. This was more toward the other models attempting to make them out better. Jeep engineers looked into this and re-did the tests without these dramas. Even though all 4WDs arent going to handle as well as a sedan (or an SRT8) I'm still confident driving my GC in these type of conditions.
Look into it further and diregard this propaganda
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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So 17 people died in 10 years from hitting a moose. How many died from swerving to avoid an object and losing control?

I can tell you that number is much higher than 17 in 10 years on my stretch of highway. Almost all of our crashes are a result of swerve right, swerve left, roll.


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Well said. I'd rather be repairing a front end than ending up off the road rolling over or attempting to correct the vehicle after getting it out of shape
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Alaska state trooper said on that show in a patrol car... Id take the ditch over a moose... How many of you who say hit the moose have seen one? Or a major wreck from one. Their long legs put their torso even with your windshield. Just a thought.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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Alaska state trooper said on that show in a patrol car... Id take the ditch over a moose... How many of you who say hit the moose have seen one? Or a major wreck from one. Their long legs put their torso even with your windshield. Just a thought.
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Well said. I'd rather be repairing a front end than ending up off the road rolling over or attempting to correct the vehicle after getting it out of shape
Hit a moose and its body smashes through your windshield and does a number on your head and chest (can you think splat?). Sometimes the moose just keeps going out the rear window carrying your head along. I'd much rather be dealing with a roll over with some chance of survival. Someone here walked away from a roll over just a few weeks ago.

The good news, however, is that you will have no front end damage.

The moose will skip right over the hood on its way to your head. Number 18 or 19, doesn't matter to you, you are dead. How many drivers chose to avoid the Moose and did not have an accident? I suspect several more which you are leaving out. These don't even get reported, although there may be some tell tale ruined underwear How many of those in the ditch had side airbags, or were even wearing seat belts?. You need to be comparing apples with oranges here to establish your best survival strategy.

I think Myth Busters did a segment on this years ago.

Oh and try not to hit a larger pig at speed, those buggers are solid and so low that they roll under all that crush space and try to come up through the floor board at you and then walk away. Nasty buggers.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Mythbusters did do the moose testing, but it was with a car.
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