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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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It didn't even roll over in THIS test. It came up on two wheels, but it didn't go over. Jeep investigated and had the magazine retest and They could not reproduce the problem.

Also, for those in an outraged and in a panic that their vehicle is going to spontaneously flip over, take a deep breath, and them look above your head at your sun visor.
this is not the previous video ... this is the video they reproduce the problem ...
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Jeep investigated and had the magazine retest and They could not reproduce the problem.
I think the video shows the problem perfectly reproduced considering Jeep engineers loaded the vehicle with less than the max weight. That also explains why CJD has been unwilling to publish the result. Yeah, the GC didn't roll over but it is certainly not doing well.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

If the driver did not steer away from the roll, the car would have rolled. It was very close to the tipping point and only the skill of the driver managed to correct a potential rollover situation.
As for Jeep replicating the same situation, they made the magazine remove 100kg from their testing. This is most likely the major factor, but the car still blew its Tyre and skipped all over the road.
Being ignorant to the facts and making statements that you do not drive like this or that the test is stupid, is just plane silly.
The main issue I have is this test is not done at highway speeds, but under 40MPH. This would not be an uncommon maneuver. We may not have heard about this because nobody knew this was a problem until now.
As for ignorant comments like do not buy one or sell it, how about JEEP FIX IT.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

By the way, I have just been trying to find the max load for my own GC and I can't find it. There is no numbers in the "Operating Information" book and my registration papers only shows a tare weight of 2136 Kg, the GVM and GCM fields are empty. So how much can I load it?
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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By the way, I have just been trying to find the max load for my own GC and I can't find it. There is no numbers in the "Operating Information" book and my registration papers only shows a tare weight of 2136 Kg, the GVM and GCM fields are empty. So how much can I load it?
That information can be found on the Tire and Loading Information Placard located on the drivers side B-Pillar.

You may also want to download the complete manual, or request the printed manual from Jeep. Detailed information can be found there (starting on pg 397 in mine).

Just realized you're down under, so what I wrote may just be kibble for you Mate.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Thanks smcoverland. I checked the placards but it says EXPORT VEHICLE where the weights would have been. I did however find it in the "Operating Information" book on page 244. It says "All Variants GVWR 6501 lbs (2949 kg)". So I should be able to load my vehicle with 2949-2136=813 kg. Or am I wrong?
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Correct, this is where I think Jeep have stuffed up as they have under weighted the car by over 150kg in EU and thus the test had the full GVM in the test.
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Why was this done on a 2012 model not a 2011 model? It seems odd to me that a safety test would be done 2 years after release. This result is not acceptable but it still begs the question, why wait?
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Not to be a dick or anything, but what are you talking about the Grand Cherokee not off to a good start? I think its been off to a DAMN good start and im sure sales figures prove that. Not only that but the WK2 is into its 3rd model year already so the "start" finished a long time ago. The WK2 has already proven itself. Tell me one single incident in real life where a WK2 rolled over from someone performing evasive maneuvers. I certainly havent seen any and I see WK2's everywhere these days. Im not saying this moose test is total BS, but come on lets face it if there was a serious flaw with the WK2 we would know about it.
P.S. what QL issues are you talking about? I hope your not talking about the few issues people have posted on this site and then generalizing all the thousands of WK2's on the road today.

Regardless, sure if there is some sort of problem then yes ofcourse I would like it investigated, but I have not heard of a single WK2 rolling over from this maneuver besides the one in this test (where smart people try to roll an SUV without helmets on lol).

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Sorry for misinterpret able statement; I was talking about bringing cars on the street without sufficient testing, pressing a vehicle on the market.
Look at the amount of TSBs for the 2011 models, that shouldn't be necessary. Coming to the QL issues, I don't know how many forum members have an issue nor the total amount. I see that there is a TSB for it which was my rational for using it as an example. I never would rely on forums, though they give a very good indication.
To the test, it is out for years and is well known (especially since the Mercedes A-class test), so what is the problem for a manufacturer to include this in protoype testing? By the way, CR did a similar test with similar results http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...consumers.html.
Tests have not necessarily to be realistic (though this based on some experience of Scandinavian countries), so I don't have to look for actual happenings. It's a worst case test, or have you heard of somebody who stained his clothes with ink, oil, fruit juice etc regularly which is the test of detergents?
However, i greatly appreciate your comments as they adjust my statement, but I am clearly not questioning the car, but Jeeps/Chryslers reaction to this. They should go out and have a close look to this. We all shouldn't discuss the test but request Chrysler to answer some questions.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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Why was this done on a 2012 model not a 2011 model? It seems odd to me that a safety test would be done 2 years after release. This result is not acceptable but it still begs the question, why wait?
I don't believe 2011 models were available in Europe. If that was the case why would they test a vehicle that was not available in their market?
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Sorry for misinterpret able statement; I was talking about bringing cars on the street without sufficient testing, pressing a vehicle on the market.
Look at the amount of TSBs for the 2011 models, that shouldn't be necessary. Coming to the QL issues, I don't know how many forum members have an issue nor the total amount. I see that there is a TSB for it which was my rational for using it as an example. I never would rely on forums, though they give a very good indication.
To the test, it is out for years and is well known (especially since the Mercedes A-class test), so what is the problem for a manufacturer to include this in protoype testing? By the way, CR did a similar test with similar results http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...consumers.html.
Tests have not necessarily to be realistic (though this based on some experience of Scandinavian countries), so I don't have to look for actual happenings. It's a worst case test, or have you heard of somebody who stained his clothes with ink, oil, fruit juice etc regularly which is the test of detergents?
However, i greatly appreciate your comments as they adjust my statement, but I am clearly not questioning the car, but Jeeps/Chryslers reaction to this. They should go out and have a close look to this. We all shouldn't discuss the test but request Chrysler to answer some questions.

Thanks for the reply and I agree. As for the TSB thing, I personally dont think thats a good indication of whether a car was released prematurely or not. I mean sometimes the only way to truely test things is in the real world. So there will be minor tweaks and modifications throughout the entire span of a vehicles generation. As for the amount of TSB's on the WK2, it seems reasonable to me. My previous vehicle was a 2007 Acura TL Type S. So we are talking about a reliable Honda product....The amount of TSB's out on the 2004-2008 Acura TL's is literally pages long, theres tons of them. My point being, just because there is a TSB on something doesnt necessarily mean something is designed bad, or is a bad product.
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Thanks for the reply and I agree. As for the TSB thing, I personally dont think thats a good indication of whether a car was released prematurely or not. I mean sometimes the only way to truely test things is in the real world. So there will be minor tweaks and modifications throughout the entire span of a vehicles generation. As for the amount of TSB's on the WK2, it seems reasonable to me. My previous vehicle was a 2007 Acura TL Type S. So we are talking about a reliable Honda product....The amount of TSB's out on the 2004-2008 Acura TL's is literally pages long, theres tons of them. My point being, just because there is a TSB on something doesnt necessarily mean something is designed bad, or is a bad product.
Thanks for the comment and you are totally right. I fully agree , that a TSBs isn't a perfect indicator. It was the amount and kind of TSBs that indicated to me (not a car manufacturer or tester) the introduction might have been too early. Again, i am not an expert in this. On the other side, it shows that the manufacturer takes care about this product, which is very good. I fully agree, based on my experience, that you can't test something completely and you will always reveal something in reality. What biases me, I have to admit, is some of the comments from various forums on how Jeep (or mostly the dealers) handle some issues. That's a thing, as soon as you read such things, they are adding up in your mind , so I have to step back myself: still love my GC and think its a great care, Chrysler/Jeep please do a proper investigation or develop fix

I think we are discussing 3 different topics;
A) Does the test reflect reality or what is the sense of the test
B) Was the test properly conducted, according to the test specs?
C) What does the outcome mean and how should Chrysler react to this.
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