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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Is this only with the Quadra Lift?

What about the non-air suspensions?

Did the Mercedes that is built on the same architecture also fail?

What about the Durango?
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

Hey Moose enforcer and friends from Oz - Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor and Sport

Do you want to take back all that trade libel you guys were spewing on here yet?????

Back to my original theory that the Swedes were in the tank for the home team!

Germans build better vehicles than Swedes any way! LOL!
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Hey Moose enforcer and friends from Oz - Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor and Sport

Do you want to take back all that trade libel you guys were spewing on here yet?????

Back to my original theory that the Swedes were in the tank for the home team!

Germans build better vehicles than Swedes any way! LOL!

There is no video for that test dude...
And if you would have read the whole story about the moose test performed by Teknikens Värld you would have known that Jeep sent the wrong max weight specs to Europe. Concidering this has been changed by Jeep... Well... then the jeep would only behave like that when overloaded or not loaded correctly.
I'd love to see this test proven wrong. But can't argue with an almost roll and 6 blown tires...
Hope the germs up a vid and explain a bit deeper on how this test was performed.

Ohh.... The germans also build better vehicles than the yanks
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

What, you don't trust those Germans?
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

The German protocol for their testing is very clearly defined ANC follows industry accepted standards that make their testing much more believable. Video of the bad Swedish test proved only that the video of a poorly done test is going to look poor. I mean come on guys. You don't like Jeep response and won't accept clear evidence from a more reliable source that the Swedes cheated. The German mag tested the GC before the Swedish mag report and when they saw the Swedish test they retested the GC again. They found no problem either time. My dear Swedish Grandma would agree with me I am sure.. Btw my other side of the family is German. Full disclosure.
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Hey Moose enforcer and friends from Oz - Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor and Sport

Do you want to take back all that trade libel you guys were spewing on here yet?????

Back to my original theory that the Swedes were in the tank for the home team!

Germans build better vehicles than Swedes any way! LOL!
If you think popping tyres on flat ground when performing evasive maneuvers is par for the course in a $70K AUD car (or any car for that matter) then good luck to you. I for one don't think it is.

Maybe it seems like some Australian collusion to ruin the brand name to you but to me it just seems like common sense is being applied in lieu of rose coloured glasses.

I hope the Swedish test was flawed but the fact of the matter is that Jeep made the mistake in publishing the max load rating, that magazine just tested to the Jeep specs. Jeeps statement is actually only half true, claiming the vehicle was overloaded... It was only overloaded as Jeep made the mistake in the first place, then when the weight was removed it still popped tyres!

You can claim it's the tyres sold overseas or that the bloke pulled the wheel too hard or even that there aren't any Elks where you live but the fact remains that the tyres are as specified by Jeep, the load was as specified by Jeep and a less experienced driver swerving to avoid a child (not Elk for those tunnel visioned individuals out there) may have rolled the car.

I want the car to pass any test thrown at it, heck I own one but it isn't a good result and anyone who thinks it is acceptable is clearly biased or not thinking straight.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

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If you think popping tyres on flat ground when performing evasive maneuvers is par for the course in a $70K AUD car (or any car for that matter) then good luck to you. I for one don't think it is.

Maybe it seems like some Australian collusion to ruin the brand name to you but to me it just seems like common sense is being applied in lieu of rose coloured glasses.

I hope the Swedish test was flawed but the fact of the matter is that Jeep made the mistake in publishing the max load rating, that magazine just tested to the Jeep specs. Jeeps statement is actually only half true, claiming the vehicle was overloaded... It was only overloaded as Jeep made the mistake in the first place, then when the weight was removed it still popped tyres!

You can claim it's the tyres sold overseas or that the bloke pulled the wheel too hard or even that there aren't any Elks where you live but the fact remains that the tyres are as specified by Jeep, the load was as specified by Jeep and a less experienced driver swerving to avoid a child (not Elk for those tunnel visioned individuals out there) may have rolled the car.

I want the car to pass any test thrown at it, heck I own one but it isn't a good result and anyone who thinks it is acceptable is clearly biased or not thinking straight.
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I read on the internet that the car is safe now and that the tests were bad. Chuck also told me it was safe.
It must be safe then.
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If you think popping tyres on flat ground when performing evasive maneuvers is par for the course in a $70K AUD car (or any car for that matter) then good luck to you. I for one don't think it is.

Maybe it seems like some Australian collusion to ruin the brand name to you but to me it just seems like common sense is being applied in lieu of rose coloured glasses.

I hope the Swedish test was flawed but the fact of the matter is that Jeep made the mistake in publishing the max load rating, that magazine just tested to the Jeep specs. Jeeps statement is actually only half true, claiming the vehicle was overloaded... It was only overloaded as Jeep made the mistake in the first place, then when the weight was removed it still popped tyres!

You can claim it's the tyres sold overseas or that the bloke pulled the wheel too hard or even that there aren't any Elks where you live but the fact remains that the tyres are as specified by Jeep, the load was as specified by Jeep and a less experienced driver swerving to avoid a child (not Elk for those tunnel visioned individuals out there) may have rolled the car.

I want the car to pass any test thrown at it, heck I own one but it isn't a good result and anyone who thinks it is acceptable is clearly biased or not thinking straight.
This Swede origination operates similar to tabloids. They manipulate data and tell half truths just to create hysteria and web hits, to help their advertising revenue. Do you believe everything you see/read in supermarket tabloids... or you see on YouTube? You may want to consider the sources of you information before you go off half cocked.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story

The fact that the driver in the Swede magazine test hit the cones should have given a clue that they manipulated the test. He oversteered to start off the test. They couldn't even stay within their own cones. That was all on the driver not the WK2.
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LOL...the swede test was done by amatuers with no certifications from KNOWN safety organizations....amatuer drivers...magazine writers! We ALL know magazines and their editors dont have agendas pushed by their advertisers.......LOL
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Listen... This is not like believeing in global warming... I think we all here wants the Grand Cherokee to pass every test possible. But it do raise some questions when seeing a behaviour like that.
You guys can slam the swedish magazine all you want. But know this... Not many cars they test fails the moose test. And when some did... Like the Toyota Hilux and the Mercedes A-Class... They got a very serious response from both manufacturers wanting to look into the issue in orded to mend it.
Sure they might be amateurs as you say... As many other drivers out there... But they are not like you say they are... ColdCase.... You got a lot to learn about Europe and how things works.
It's one of Swedens oldest car magazines and they will not ruin their reputation "faking" tests.

Ohhh and if you haven't noticed yet.... I'm swedish :P
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