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Old 07-28-2012, 07:14 AM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

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So a very small article with no video, no test data, no mention if the tyres blewout or anything substantial and we are think it is OK.

Call me a nah sayer, but once I see something CONCLUSIVE, not just a "she is all good" from a german magazine without anything to back it up, is not enough.
I guess because it is on the internet, then it must be true
Believe me I WANT THIS TO BE PROVEN AS A VERY SAFE CAR
Nah sayer.

The German company is not in the tabloid business. Apparently the Germans test company feels its not necessary to spend the $$ marketing their company to create hysteria and web hits like the Swedes video tabloid tends to to. They run a test, write a technical report. The Swedes were simply looking for publicity (or perhaps a handout) similar to the tabloids... implying a half truth, cheating, and making sensational headlines by manipulation. Works wonders, even you are caught up in the hysteria. I suppose you believe everything you read in supermarket tabloids?

As those that have dealt with tabloid harassment and exploits before, its just best to leave them alone or show some courtesy but not get into a public argument. Publicity is exactly what the tabloids want as it makes for more web hits and subsequent advertising revenue.

But as you can see in this thread, there is a sucker born every minute
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:15 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

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So a very small article with no video, no test data, no mention if the tyres blewout or anything substantial and we are think it is OK.

Call me a nah sayer, but once I see something CONCLUSIVE, not just a "she is all good" from a german magazine without anything to back it up, is not enough.
I guess because it is on the internet, then it must be true
Believe me I WANT THIS TO BE PROVEN AS A VERY SAFE CAR
Wow. Some people just believe what they want to believe. Nevermind the fact that you disbelieve the more reputable organization but believe some amateurs.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:42 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

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Uh, and for the love of gawd, can you guys take it easy with the violent & bloody car wreck Moose photos, lumbering/slow/blind Moose references, and other such heartless comments. Moose are sensitive.
Won't someone PLEASE think of the Meese?

PS: The plural of Moose is officially changed to Meese.
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Old 07-28-2012, 06:04 PM
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To enforcer... I love that your defense is *sarcastic* "its on the internet so it must be true" yet you dont use that logic to disprove the swedes video when you can make anything do anything for a camera either doctoring the circumstances or the film... Because "every video is irrefutable proof"... *sarcasm*

Wow, just wow.

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Old 07-28-2012, 07:37 PM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

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So a very small article with no video, no test data, no mention if the tyres blewout or anything substantial and we are think it is OK.

Call me a nah sayer, but once I see something CONCLUSIVE, not just a "she is all good" from a german magazine without anything to back it up, is not enough.
I guess because it is on the internet, then it must be true
Believe me I WANT THIS TO BE PROVEN AS A VERY SAFE CAR
Enforcer ... This is all you need ... http://www.euroncap.com/files/460_datasheet.pdf

At the end of the day, a magazine is not an official standardised tester of anything. The official word ... out of Europe ... is that the GC is 4 out of 5 stars. The assist systems including stability control scored 71%. Euro NCAP test with and without ESC and reported no problems.

This german mag also doesnt shy away from controversy, labelling the 200 Landcruiser as a "dont buy" because it takes over 56m to stop from 100km/h. So they can put any spin they like. You may also recall Wheels magazing back in the late 70's made a HZ Kingswwood with RTS suspension appear to handle better than a BMW 5 series on a test track. It was a blantant doctoring of results (and I'm a Holden fan).

I'll stick with official results.
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:33 AM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

That swedish magazine has been running the same test for 20 years and does not do tabloid stories, they are just testing cars and reporting them. They have stated facts about their test method and provided video of the results. You can believe this result or not.

The Germans just wrote 2 paragraphs that it passed. No data, no video, NO PROOF.

You guys can keep your heads buried in the sand, I need facts to draw a conclusion and so far I am yet to see anything to discredit the Swedes test, only you lot saying it is tabloid BS.

I am not saying the Swedes are right, I am saying I have not seen anything to say they are wrong. Getting personal about my views, only supports my argument
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

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Enforcer ... This is all you need ... http://www.euroncap.com/files/460_datasheet.pdf
These tests are not done at full weight, only with one occupant.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

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Nah sayer.

The German company is not in the tabloid business. Apparently the Germans test company feels its not necessary to spend the $$ marketing their company to create hysteria and web hits like the Swedes video tabloid tends to to.
Take off the Jeep jacket, put down the pipe and take a few deep breaths of fresh, clean air.

The German test is done by a MAGAZINE.
They ARE in the tabloid business.
They DO spend money on marketing.
They have provided NO evidence of any tests done.

Nothing like getting your facts straight is there???
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:52 AM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

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These tests are not done at full weight, only with one occupant.
Yes one occupant, but there is internal ballast also added. The Euro NCAP test is done according to NHTSA regulation FMVSS126 which dictates the internal load of the vehicle must be 370lb.

This might be less than the swedes, but the FMVSS126 test takes the speed up to 80km/h which is faster than the swedish test.

They also do up to 60 runs per car, each time with increasing speed and severity of steering, and with ESC turned off at times.

What Euro NCAP and the NTHSA do is far more stringent than the swedish test.

http://www.carsim.com/applications/fmvss126/index.php
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

I have no idea who is right, but I do have the following observationsquestions:

1. The Swedes have lost one car brand in recent years.
2. Are the Swedes trying to discredit the JGC to sell 90XCs?
3. There are ways to game the system.
4. What incentive do the Germans have to exonerate the JGC?
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Passes "Moose Test" Performed by Germany's Auto Motor und Sp

O'k guys, let be serious abot it. I agree with ENFORCER here. This is a small article with no proof. For Auto Motor&Sport small video or picture to show test result is nothing and wont cost them anything major to put them out of business. Considering the Swedish magazine has published very good video and Chrysler engineers were involved, trying to fix the problem after they realized the specs were wrong. This story is all over the internet and there is a lot of politics behind it. This article is also in German, so how many of you guys can actually read it? I can, and I can say "thanks to Milous for the correct translation!". But still, this does not look enough to clear the air. It is too early to start jumping around like a kids and give each other high 5's. As I have posted in the original thread there is a very good reason behind this test. We have a lot of deer in WI and here is latest from Canada: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...161671355.html

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