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Jeep Grand Cherokee(WK2) VS Porsche Cayenne (In French)

13 janvier 2011


Jeep Grand Cherokee-Porsche Cayenne: rencontre en terrain neutre


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Il y a plusieurs raisons de vouloir comparer ces deux légendes en ce début d'année. En voici deux qui feront l'affaire. D'abord, toutes deux portent le sceau de la nouveauté en 2011. Pour le Grand Cherokee, il s'agit de sa quatrième refonte, alors que le Cayenne en est à sa deuxième. Ensuite, l'un comme l'autre étrennent cette année de nouvelles mécaniques six cylindres. Celles-ci ajoutent à l'offre des deux constructeurs qui proposent également un moteur V8 atmosphérique à leur catalogue. Bien entendu, Porsche va plus loin encore: il offre des versions suralimentée (Turbo) et hybride (mi-essence, mi-électrique), mais limitons-nous ici à calquer l'offre du constructeur allemand sur son rival (d'un jour) américain.
N'eût été le Cayenne, Porsche aurait poursuivi une trajectoire parallèle à celle de Jeep. De fait, l'un et l'autre ont bâti leur légende sur des terrains opposés, si l'on oublie bien sûr les rares participations de la marque de Stuttgart au rallye de Dakar avec ses 911 et 959 dans les années 80.

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Si la particularité des parallèles est justement qu'ils ne se rencontrent jamais, des méridiens peuvent les croiser. Rappelez-vous vos cours de géométrie. Cela se vérifie également dans le cas qui nous occupe. Ces deux utilitaires ont manifestement la même taille, délivrent sensiblement la même puissance (les V6 surtout), comptent chacun sur un rouage intégral sophistiqué et promettent de tracter des charges presque équivalentes. Il n'y a en fait que le prix d'achat qui les sépare. Et encore! En location, les mensualités sont presque identiques.

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Adepte de l'utilitaire pur et dur, Jeep a quelque peu dérogé à ses principes au cours des dernières années. Bien lui en prit puisque la marque américaine est parvenue à l'aide des Patriot et Compass à diversifier sa gamme et, du coup, à élargir sa clientèle.

Pour sa quatrième mouture, le Jeep Grand Cherokee a droit à une architecture allemande, en l'occurrence celle du ML enfanté par son ex-partenaire Mercedes.

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Le Grand Cherokee prend l'ascendant sur son rival dans la section «vie à bord», comme en fait foi notre tableau de pointage. C'est clair, le Grand Cherokee bénéficie de l'expérience de son constructeur qui applique à la lettre la définition que l'on se fait d'un utilitaire. Véritable invitation à l'aventure et - une fois n'est pas coutume - l'habitacle du Jeep ravit l'oeil et participe à créer une atmosphère étonnamment léchée. La prise en main est facile grâce à une ergonomie bien étudiée. Pratique, la lunette s'entrouvre pour faciliter le transport de longs objets ou tout simplement pour y lancer l'ourson en peluche du p'tit dernier sans avoir à soulever le hayon! À ce sujet, le coffre a une modularité classique (60-40) par rapport à celui du Porsche, mais un volume supérieur, et ce, que les dossiers de la banquette soient abaissés ou non. Toutefois, le Jeep oublie d'être pratique. Quelques espaces de rangement, sans plus. Et il y a ces sièges qui offrent un maintien bien faible.

Aussi bien le reconnaître, l'assemblage de la première mouture du Cayenne n'était pas un modèle à suivre. Si les amateurs de la marque n'y ont vu que du feu, jugeant plus important de retrouver la signature du constructeur allemand en montant à bord, les critiques ont maintes fois dénoncé l'aspect bon marché des plastiques et l'agencement parfois douteux des couleurs. Tellement plus aboutie, cette seconde génération du Cayenne reprend à son compte le mobilier de la berline Panamera. Voilà qui en met plein la vue avec plus de 70 boutons et commutateurs dans l'environnement immédiat du conducteur. Pour la facilité de prise en main, on repassera! En revanche, on est confortablement calé dans son baquet et les occupants des places arrière n'ont pas à se plaindre du dégagement qui leur est accordé. Comme pour le Grand Cherokee, les rangements ne sont pas légion et le bloc d'instrumentation, quoique complet, est partiellement masqué par la jante du volant.

Au chapitre des accessoires, le Cayenne ouvre tout grand la porte (et votre portefeuille) à la personnalisation. Tout est possible: volant et banquette arrière chauffants. Enfin presque, à la condition de consentir à verser près de 15 000$ de plus que le prix de base affiché.

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Deuxième round: le Grand Cherokee cède la tête de ce match au chapitre des performances générales. Toujours aussi soucieux de soigner ses capacités hors route, le Jeep manque de sportivité dès que la route se pave d'asphalte. Comprenons-nous bien, le Grand Cherokee est nettement plus agréable à conduire au quotidien que ne l'auront jamais été ses prédécesseurs. Cependant, devant un concurrent qui fait la part belle à la route, le Grand Cherokee doit baisser calandre. Sans avoir le comportement routier d'un poids lourd, le Grand Cherokee apparaît plus massif et surtout plus empesé que son rival qui concède de 200 à 300 kg environ sur la balance, selon la version et les accessoires retenus.

En tout-terrain, le Jeep ridiculise le Porsche. À la décharge de celui-ci, soulignons que ce n'est pas la qualité de son rouage intégral qui est en cause, mais plutôt sa garde au sol limitée malgré la suspension pneumatique. À cela s'ajoutent des angles plus obtus (attaque, ventral, sortie) et sa monte pneumatique - des 21 pouces! - totalement inadaptée à une utilisation hors route, lesquels le font très mal paraître. Bien entendu, les dimensions extérieures du Grand Cherokee n'en font pas un tout-terrain aussi zélé qu'un Wrangler, mais tout de même suffisamment performant pour ne pas patiner sur un galet ou s'enfoncer jusqu'aux portières.

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Voilà, avec le confort de roulement, les deux seules manches remportées par Jeep dans ce segment de notre match. Pour tous les autres éléments de comparaison, le Porsche l'emporte. Il freine plus efficacement, vire mieux et procure un agrément de conduite étonnant pour un véhicule de ce poids. Et, contre toute attente, le Cayenne offre une meilleure capacité de remorquage que l'américain, et ce, quelle que soit la cylindrée de sa mécanique.

Parlons-en, des mécaniques. Ce match a été réalisé en deux temps. D'abord avec les versions V6 de nos deux protagonistes. Ensuite, nous avons étalonné les mécaniques V8. En combinant les notes, notre tableau de pointage donne l'avantage à Porsche. Par contre, sur une base individuelle, notre groupe d'essayeurs a été plus impressionné par les performances du V6 3,6 litres du Grand Cherokee que le premier V6 made by Porsche. Ce dernier est à maints égards plus sophistiqué, c'est vrai, mais la mécanique n'a, dans les faits, guère à lui envier. Sa consommation est à peine supérieure à celle du V6 allemand et son niveau sonore - notamment au ralenti - sonne plus doux à l'oreille.

En comparant les V8, cette fois, c'est celui du Cayenne qui décroche la palme. À la fois costaud et musical, ce 4,8-litres éclipse le 5,7-litres du Jeep à tous les chapitres, y compris à la pompe. Alors que le moteur de Jeep adopte un dispositif de désactivation des cylindres d'une efficacité douteuse, Porsche rapplique avec un dispositif de coupure automatique du moteur à l'arrêt plus influent pour réduire la quantité d'émissions nocives aux sorties d'échappement. Résumons-nous: à tout choisir, nous préférons le Grand Cherokee V6 et le Cayenne S (V8).

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À la dernière étape de ce duel, le Cayenne possède une longueur d'avance sur son rival. Celui-ci parvient à lui arracher des points au classement en offrant le meilleur rapport prix/accessoires. Doit-on s'en étonner lorsqu'un constructeur a le toupet d'exiger 220$ pour peindre les logos apposés sur les porte-moyeux?

En ce qui concerne les autres éléments de comparaison, le Cayenne rafle tout. Sa consommation moindre, l'étendue de sa garantie, sans oublier sa valeur de revente particulièrement élevée, lui permettent de franchir la première le fil d'arrivée.

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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee VS Porsche Cayenne (In French)

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January 13, 2011


Jeep Grand Cherokee, Porsche Cayenne meeting on neutral ground


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The Porsche Cayenne and the Jeep Grand Cherokee

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There are several reasons to compare these two legends in the beginning of this year. Here are two that will do. First, both bear the stamp of novelty in 2011. For the Grand Cherokee, it is her fourth overhaul, while the Cayenne is now in its second. Then, one as the other étrennent this year with new mechanical six cylinders. These add to the supply of two manufacturers that also offer a V8 engine to air their catalog. Of course, Porsche goes further: it offers turbocharged versions (Turbo) and hybrid (half gasoline, half electric), but let us here to trace the manufacturer offer its German rival (day ) American.
But for the Cayenne, Porsche would have pursued a path parallel to the Jeep. In fact, both have built their legend on land opposite, if we forget of course the rare holdings of the mark in Stuttgart in the Dakar rally with 911 and 959 in the 80's.

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If the distinct parallels is precisely that they never meet, meridians can cross them. Remember your geometry course. This is also true in our case. Both utilities have obviously the same size, deliver substantially the same power (especially the V6), are each on a sophisticated all-wheel drive and promise to tow loads almost equivalent. There are really only the purchase price between them. And again! Rental, the monthly payments are almost identical.

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Adept Utility hardcore, Jeep has somewhat deviated from its principles in recent years. Although it took as the American brand has come to the aid of the Patriot and Compass to diversify its range and, hence, broaden its customer base.

For its fourth version, the Jeep Grand Cherokee is entitled to a German architecture, namely that of ML children by his ex-partner Mercedes.

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The Grand Cherokee takes the ascendancy over his rival in "Life on board", as evidenced by our scorecard. It is clear, the Grand Cherokee benefits from the experience of its constructor which applies a strict definition that one has a utility. Invitation to adventure and - once will not hurt - the cockpit of the Jeep delights the eye and helps create an atmosphere surprisingly polished. Getting started is easy thanks to a well studied ergonomics. Practice, the rear window opens to facilitate the transport of long objects or simply to throw the teddy bear's last little without lifting the tailgate! In this regard, the trunk has a classic modularity (60-40) compared to that of Porsche, but higher volume, regardless of whether the records of the bench are lowered or not. However, the Jeep forget to be practical. Some storage space, nothing more. And there are the seats that offer a low maintenance property.

Both recognize the assembly of the first version of the Cayenne was not a model. If the brand fans have seen only the fire, thinking it more important to find the signature of the German manufacturer in boarding, critics have repeatedly denounced the cheap plastic look and layout of sometimes dubious colors. So much accomplished, the second generation Cayenne takes up the furniture of the Panamera sedan. Those who eyeful with 70 buttons and switches in the immediate vicinity of the driver. For ease of handling some work! However, it is comfortably ensconced in his seat and rear seat occupants do not complain that their release is granted. As for the Grand Cherokee, are not numerous storage and power instrumentation, although complete, is partially obscured by the steering wheel.

In terms of accessories, the Cayenne opens wide the door (and wallet) to personalization. Everything is possible: wheel and rear seat heaters. Well almost, provided consent to pay nearly $ 15 000 more than the base price shown.

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Second round: Grand Cherokee gives the head of this match in terms of overall performance. Always keen to nurture its off-road capability, Jeep lack of sportsmanship when the road is paved with asphalt. Let us be clear, the Grand Cherokee is much more fun to drive on a daily basis that will never do his predecessors. However, before a competitor that gives pride to the road, the Grand Cherokee must lower grille. Without the driving behavior of a truck, the Grand Cherokee is more massive and more particularly stiff as his rival concedes that 200 to 300 kg on the scale, depending on the version and selected accessories.

Off-road, Jeep ridicules the Porsche. In defense of it, note that this is not the quality of its all-wheel drive that is at issue, but rather its limited ground clearance despite the air suspension. In addition, there are more obtuse angles (attack, ventral exit) and rising air - the 21 inch! - Totally unsuitable for use off road, which are very bad light. Of course, the external dimensions of the Grand Cherokee does not make a suv as zealous a Wrangler, but still powerful enough to avoid a roller skate or dig up doors.

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So, with the ride, the only two sets won by Jeep in this segment of our game. For all other elements of comparison, the Porsche wins. It inhibits more effectively, turns and provides better driveability surprising for a vehicle of this weight. And, against all odds, the Cayenne offers better towing capacity than the U.S., and this, whatever the capacity of its mechanics.

Let us talk about mechanics. This match was done in two stages. First with the V6 versions of our two protagonists. Then, we calibrated the mechanical V8. By combining the notes, our scoreboard giving the advantage to Porsche. By cons, on an individual basis, our group of testers has been most impressed by the performance of the V6 3.6-liter Grand Cherokee as the first V6 made by Porsche. The latter is in many ways more sophisticated, it's true, but the mechanics did, in fact, little to envy. Its consumption is barely larger than the V6 and its German sound level - especially at idle - sounds sweeter to the ear.

By comparing the V8, this time is that of the Cayenne which wins the prize. Both sturdy and musical, this 4.8-liter eclipse the 5.7-liter Jeep for all chapters, including the pump. While the Jeep engine adopts a cylinder deactivation device of dubious effectiveness, Porsche come around with a device for automatically shutting off the engine switched off most influential in reducing harmful emissions to the tailpipes. To sum up: to choose everything, we prefer the Grand Cherokee V6 and Cayenne S (V8).

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At the last stage of the duel, the Cayenne has an edge over its rival. It manages to snatch the points classification in offering the best price / accessories. Should we be surprised when a manufacturer has the nerve to demand $ 220 to paint the logos affixed to the uprights?

Regarding other elements of comparison, the Cayenne takes all. Its lower power consumption, the extent of its security, not to mention resale value is particularly high, allow it to cross the finish line first on.

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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee VS Porsche Cayenne (In French)

Interesting point-by-point ratings.

Still, in any language it's oranges and tangerines. For traversing difficult terrain, on or off road, the GC's only real competition is the Land Rover LR4. For on-road where snow, mud and sand aren't issues, the Cayenne is hard to beat if price is no object.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee VS Porsche Cayenne (In French)

BTW, I've owned a first generation Cayenne and have looked at the 2nd generation in depth. While I agree with most of what they say I thing their view must be skewed based on where they are. Obviously the Jeep, in their country, commands a premium we don't pay here because the price difference for equivalent equipment is HUGE and in no way could swing the total picture in favor of the Porsche.

Example, Cayenne V6 with all the packages needed to make it the equivilent of the V6 Overland = $68K vs. a fully equipped V6 Overland 4X4 = $44K. $24K is a HUGE difference.
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Interesting point-by-point ratings.

Still, in any language it's oranges and tangerines. For traversing difficult terrain, on or off road, the GC's only real competition is the Land Rover LR4. For on-road where snow, mud and sand aren't issues, the Cayenne is hard to beat if price is no object.
A Cayenne, equipped correctly is every bit the match offroad to the Jeep or the Land Rover. The problem is very few people ever check all the boxes necessary to get that functionality because it drives the price up.

The more appropriate comparison vehicle is the VW Touareg. There the price difference is ~$10K but they stripped it of most of it's serious offroad capabilities in 2011 in it's basic config. But, they looked at the order history and concluded most people don't want or care about serious offroading in these types of SUV's. They are building what the market wants.

Oh, and the notion that the Porsche or VW resale is higher is a wish, it's not reality. My Cayenne lost $46K in "value" from when it was new in 2004 to when I sold it in 2007 or roughly 45% in 30 months.
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A Cayenne, equipped correctly is every bit the match offroad to the Jeep or the Land Rover. The problem is very few people ever check all the boxes necessary to get that functionality because it drives the price up.
Not arguing, but genuinely curious how you arrived at this conclusion with the current model. No low-gear transfer case, for starters...
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Not arguing, but genuinely curious how you arrived at this conclusion with the current model. No low-gear transfer case, for starters...
I think he's referring to the previous generation Cayenne. It was available with Low Range gearing but unfortunately now, along with it's hardware sharing stablemate the Toureg, is void of such an option.
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I've owned a total of 6 GC since 1998, auto journalists from our local papers are not very knowledgeable except for a minor few, in any case the problem here locally is the price difference. I buy everything at fleet pricing and not just Chrysler but Mercedes,Porsche,and Bmw to name a few.I agree with the v6 comparo but i'll tell you that Porsche Cayenne s will cost you around 95k to a overland that cost me around 50k for the V8 model. Almost double money and it's certainly not double the value, certain Porsche dealerships are importing brand new Cayenne's from the U.S cause the canadian pricing is too steep,they're selling them,financing them and leasing them threw third parties.Over here nothing can really touch the WK2 in terms of pricing and features.
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Similar story here in Australia.

WK2 Laredo pricing is forecast to be around mid $50k when they become available next month. I expect Limiteds will be closer to $65k. Overlands haven't previously been available here.
The strong aussie dollar has brought this pricing down by around 15 to 20% over the last shipment of WK1's.

A base V6 petrol Cayenne is closer to $120k before options. MASSIVE difference.
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A Cayenne Turbo? ..... I just checked the price, without options, $262,014!!!!!!
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Not arguing, but genuinely curious how you arrived at this conclusion with the current model. No low-gear transfer case, for starters...
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I think he's referring to the previous generation Cayenne. It was available with Low Range gearing but unfortunately now, along with it's hardware sharing stablemate the Toureg, is void of such an option.
Yes, I was comparing to previous years but I have read that eventually they will be offering a dedicated offroad option package to both that would include a dual range transfer case. Even without that low range they do offer a lot of capability including the locking rear and torque vectored front axles. Sure, it won't be a rock crawler but with the air suspension and the advanced traction package I suspect it would be a pretty close match in all but the most extreme conditions.

BTW, there's a reason they removed the options such as electronically released sway bars and all the other severe duty features........ NO ONE ORDERED THEM! While a few here might consider these required features the reality is the majority of people have no interest in risking their $100K+ vehicle in situations where something this extreme is needed. I'd also hazard a guess that very few of the people who pony up the $40K+ on a loaded WK2 are going to put their prized possession in a situation where low range and locking diffs are required. There may be a few but if Jeep sells 100,000 WK2's my guess is less than 1000 will ever see severe duty. The only reason the vehicle has QDII is because it's a Jeep and they are "required" to have these capabilities. I think the only other company that has this in the DNA is Rover. The others have proven they can do it but their customer base is telling them they don't care.
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