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JGC redesign moved possibly to 2019

I guess I'll be driving the latest model a little longer. But I like it, so no problem for me.....

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Re: JGC redesign moved possibly to 2019

This has been well publicized for some time now...the change is likely to coordinate with the introduction of the Grand Wagoneer which is based on the same new platform.
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Re: JGC redesign moved possibly to 2019

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This has been well publicized for some time now...the change is likely to coordinate with the introduction of the Grand Wagoneer which is based on the same new platform.

This and Ram are probably FCA's most important vehicles (volume sellers and high margin)...it is a very bad sign if they can not get this product out on time. The delay probably has to do with powertrains...they need new engines for the GC and Grand Wagoneer. The 3.6L is a bit underpowered (and inadequate for a bigger grand wagoneer) and the 5.4L is not competitive in terms of fuel consumption. The 3.6L update due next year may serve as a good base engine for GC, but they need a forced induction V6 to be competitive in this class, and possibly a new V8 if they want a powerful SUV to slot in below the SRT/Trailhawk.
The current vehicle lies on an outstading platform...hopefully they don't try to cut corners and put the GC/GW on some sort of some beefed up car platform.
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JGC redesign moved possibly to 2019

Actually I see it as a good sign. From a business perspective, if they are selling all the jeeps and Rams they can build why spend the money to change until sales dip or trend a little downward? It's called maximizing revenue. 😎


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Re: JGC redesign moved possibly to 2019

Good sign to me, make this version for a few more years, more parts availability 10-15 yrs out.

For the record FCA outsold Ford in retail sales( not including Fleet queens to dump at fire sale prices).

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Re: JGC redesign moved possibly to 2019

To be honest it's not a bad sign at all. The current model Jeep and RAM are very competitive in the market and their stylish designs can last for a few more years. I think it's imperative for FCA to ensure their new models will be just as competitive and done right.

That or maybe they know VW or GM will buy them prior and then it's their responsibility. LOL.


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Actually I see it as a good sign. From a business perspective, if they are selling all the jeeps and Rams they can build why spend the money to change until sales dip or trend a little downward? It's called maximizing revenue. ��


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Today you need to keep your product fresh to succeed long term. What you describe is the old 80's and 90's way of thinking that did not work. It's a good way to go out of business as your product can became old very quick. This just my opinion of course.
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Today you need to keep your product fresh to succeed long term. What you describe is the old 80's and 90's way of thinking that did not work. It's a good way to go out of business as your product can became old very quick. This just my opinion of course.
I would beg to differ, only thing they can do is screw it up, it is the best looking midsize SUV, has the best V6, V8, transmissions, t-case, packaging
, and enough models to offer something for everyone.

They can keep it fresh by bundling more options, evolve the drivetrain with hp and tq upgrades, and fatten up the rebates to move metal because the tooling in the plant has been paid off.

I am not one for change for change sake, if I get something I like, give me two, much easier to maintain.

WK2 is a very good timeless design, like the current Challenger, somehow they will be hard pressed to improve them by moving to new platforms.
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I would beg to differ, only thing they can do is screw it up, it is the best looking midsize SUV, has the best V6, V8, transmissions, t-case, packaging
, and enough models to offer something for everyone.

They can keep it fresh by bundling more options, evolve the drivetrain with hp and tq upgrades, and fatten up the rebates to move metal because the tooling in the plant has been paid off.

I am not one for change for change sake, if I get something I like, give me two, much easier to maintain.

WK2 is a very good timeless design, like the current Challenger, somehow they will be hard pressed to improve them by moving to new platforms.

Yes the WK2 is a very nice looking SUV with a great interior and packaging however the engines are no longer competitive in the class. The 3.6 is underpowered for a base engine in such a heavy vehicle. The V8 is not competitive in terms of fuel economy or NVH with either the germans, ford ecoboost 3.5 or with GMs new small block engines. The ZF transmission is the same as everyone else has. They need to decrease the weight of the next generation and come up with some new engines.
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I would beg to differ, only thing they can do is screw it up, it is the best looking midsize SUV, has the best V6, V8, transmissions, t-case, packaging
, and enough models to offer something for everyone.

They can keep it fresh by bundling more options, evolve the drivetrain with hp and tq upgrades, and fatten up the rebates to move metal because the tooling in the plant has been paid off.

I am not one for change for change sake, if I get something I like, give me two, much easier to maintain.

WK2 is a very good timeless design, like the current Challenger, somehow they will be hard pressed to improve them by moving to new platforms.
While I agree with some of your points, waiting too long will lead to exaclty what you decribe fatter rebates which in turn destroys the value of the vehicle. It seems you are looking at it from your own perspective and whats better for you personally. Which is what most people do. What I was talking about is what in my opinion was better for the overall health of the brand and company. You can bet that fatter rebates is not something thats better for the company. The workers still make the same wages when the tooling is paid off. Just look at the history of how fatter rebates in addition to other things put a couple of these companies through bankruptcy. This is my opinion from a business perspective but I do agree with your assessment of the JGC overall.
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Yes the WK2 is a very nice looking SUV with a great interior and packaging however the engines are no longer competitive in the class. The 3.6 is underpowered for a base engine in such a heavy vehicle. The V8 is not competitive in terms of fuel economy or NVH with either the germans, ford ecoboost 3.5 or with GMs new small block engines. The ZF transmission is the same as everyone else has. They need to decrease the weight of the next generation and come up with some new engines.

Ha? Ford ecoboost is a gas pig, go over on the Ford truck boards, most opt for the 5.0, which in real world does better. Also the Ecoboost is plagued by deposit problems, https://www.bgprod.com/bgfueltest/ look at the borescope pictures. no thanks! Twin turbos, have you priced the oil and coolant feed/return line replacement on them?

NVH, the WK2 is one of the most sterile quietest vehichles, I test drove Acura MDX, Explorer, Murano, and X5 with 3.0. Jeep was more then competitive.

GM doesn't make a midsize SUV with a V8. Have to step up into a Tahoe.

Bottom line was the Jeep had more features, more luxury, better drive train for less money. The X5 with the V8 was 70K$, for that I could of got a fully loaded SRT. All the others are v6 in the 250-300 HP range, the Pentastar is more than competitive.

My Hemi is avg over 22 mpf for first 3400 miles, good enough for me.

I agree they need to lower weight but I am more concerned the next generation will become yet another sterile neutered more car like ugly
SUV, they have that covered with the Cherokee.

They need to Keep the Grands focused for more truck like, mid size, maybe reduce the size a bit but keep the off road chops and towing.



All the others are more car based with lower tow ratings and are pushed to folks who want an AWD cute ute, and most are ugly IMHO
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Yes the WK2 is a very nice looking SUV with a great interior and packaging however the engines are no longer competitive in the class. The 3.6 is underpowered for a base engine in such a heavy vehicle. The V8 is not competitive in terms of fuel economy or NVH with either the germans, ford ecoboost 3.5 or with GMs new small block engines. The ZF transmission is the same as everyone else has. They need to decrease the weight of the next generation and come up with some new engines.
I wouldn't call it underpowered at all. HP and torque are right in the ballpark for this class of engine. It accelerates better than the 4.7L V8 I had in my 02. I have no complaints with its fuel economy. I believe the majority of 3.6L owners are happy with it.
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