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Re: JGC RWD vs 4WD?

Hey mate, if you are from Chicago, and are a regular here, let's keep in touch and eventually have a Jeep WK2 meet. I have met another forum member (PRESTONE, also from the Metro area) and I think there is enough of us here on the boards to have regular meets (every few weeks to months)
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Re: JGC RWD vs 4WD?

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I've had numerious full size jeeps, amc, 360 v8
I've had a 94 gc 5.2 limited
I've had a 06 commander 5.7 limited
I have a 98 gc 5.9 limited.
I have a 2014 SRT Jeep
All all wheel drive

With that being said. I drive fast and know I should not.
AWD has saved me from not one or two accidents but a lot of them.
If your cruising down the interstate right after a flood at 79mph
and pass an 18 wheeler while hitting 4 inches of standing water.
AWD keep you straight as the water slows you down.

I've done a 360 in a front wheel drive mini van and landed in a ditch
hitting 2 inches of standing water at 50 mph

The older jeeps, towing heavy loads and having the front brakes
attached to the rear tires via the drive train is very nice when
too much weight is loaded on the rear of a trailer with no sway bars.

Not to mention driving when on a slick surfaces of any kind.

Drop two tires off the edge of the road at over 40 mph in two wheel drive
vs all wheel drive.

Lots of difference.

Everything should be awd.

Sad my z is not awd but not sad enough to get a hard top g35. They'll put awd on the convertible soon...maybe
I've owned two RWD SUV's 85 Blazer and 94 JGC living in MA and traveling to Central NH on weekends and towed a 3000 Lbs boat. I could have got a 4WD Cherokee or a 2WD Grand Cherokee and I went with the Grand and never regretted it.

And I lived to tell about it.

I personally never drive 80 mph even on in perfect conditions, never mind after a flood. Survival of the fittest they say

I put a limited slip and Blizaks on the Jeep. It wasn't super, but it was ok.

In NC on the beach, 2WD might be absolutely fine. Depends on how he uses it.

You pay for AWD for every mile you drive. When you only need it occasionally in the south. I think it's valid consideration.

Most readers here have a need for AWD/4WD.

If you want safety I'd rather pay $2K for Collision avoidance than $2K for AWD
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:02 PM
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Sounds good F1, I am on the NW side of the city.. I think there is another guy on here with a very sick SRT8!
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LoL redrock your right.. When I was looking for my jeep I said wow this one is cheap I wonder why.. Then I saw RWD.. And I said what the hell!! BTW here in Chicago we have gotten 10' of snow the last 4 days and -40 with the wind chill and I will say my 13' Laredo V6 4x4 killed it.. And as you can imagine that snow turned in to snow cement.. Have not gotten stuck or had any issues and I park her outside.. The V6 is a great option if you'd like a little better fuel economy and still get great power.. But if you have the money to spend go for the Gusto
We had 10" of snow here in Missouri also. Two nights ago it was -15 below zero and I lost power at the house at 0600. I live in a remote area out in the boonies with a 200 yd steep gravel driveway. I admit I didn't want to take out my new Grand Cherokee and risk getting hit by some fool so I went to my "go to" Jeep for snow. A 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport. It's a little tank and I drove out with no problems. Once I hit the rural road it's another mile to a main highway. I have Cooper AT3's and never spun a tire. There is no 2wd vehicle that could have gotten me out of here.
I wish Cooper made AT3s for the 20" wheels on my Grand Cherokee.
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I've owned two RWD SUV's 85 Blazer and 94 JGC living in MA and traveling to Central NH on weekends and towed a 3000 Lbs boat. I could have got a 4WD Cherokee or a 2WD Grand Cherokee and I went with the Grand and never regretted it. And I lived to tell about it. I personally never drive 80 mph even on in perfect conditions, never mind after a flood. Survival of the fittest they say I put a limited slip and Blizaks on the Jeep. It wasn't super, but it was ok. In NC on the beach, 2WD might be absolutely fine. Depends on how he uses it. You pay for AWD for every mile you drive. When you only need it occasionally in the south. I think it's valid consideration. Most readers here have a need for AWD/4WD. If you want safety I'd rather pay $2K for Collision avoidance than $2K for AWD
It does snow in North Carolina and the roads do ice up. They are "enjoying" a similar winter to the North East right now.

You pay for any SUV every mile you drive. If you care about gas mileage, you get a different vehicle (minivan or maybe a Prius).
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Re: JGC RWD vs 4WD?

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You pay for AWD for every mile you drive. When you only need it occasionally in the south. I think it's valid consideration.

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I buy Jeeps specifically because their 4 wheel drive systems are the best in the world. I didn't buy one for gas milage or to putz around town. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I have 4 wheel drive quadra trac 2 and have been off road in places most people only dream about. I also have the V8 and anyone who buys a jeep to save gas has made a mistake. I can afford gas and don't concern myself with miles per gallon. When my gage reaches half a tank I fill up and don't worry about how far I have driven.
None of the Jeeps I've owned had All wheel drive nor do they advertize that they have this system. The last two I've owned had full time 4 wheel drive. All wheel drive is for those fancy foreign cars. I have never and will never own a foreign car.
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In NC on the beach, 2WD might be absolutely fine. Depends on how he uses it. You pay for AWD for every mile you drive. When you only need it occasionally in the south.
2WD on sand? not likely, unless you are driving on sand that's been thoroughly packed down. And if you stop, good luck pulling out. I drive on a barrier island everyday and never fail to see a 2WD stuck in the sand, buried up to their frame.

I use 4wd here in FL just as much, if not more than when I lived in the northeast. So to say you only need it occasionally doesn't apply to everyone. I originally thought I could get away with 2wd when I moved to FL. I was quickly proven wrong.
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I buy Jeeps specifically because their 4 wheel drive systems are the best in the world. I didn't buy one for gas milage or to putz around town. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I have 4 wheel drive quadra trac 2 and have been off road in places most people only dream about. I also have the V8 and anyone who buys a jeep to save gas has made a mistake. I can afford gas and don't concern myself with miles per gallon. When my gage reaches half a tank I fill up and don't worry about how far I have driven.
None of the Jeeps I've owned had All wheel drive nor do they advertize that they have this system. The last two I've owned had full time 4 wheel drive. All wheel drive is for those fancy foreign cars. I have never and will never own a foreign car.
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Audi makes fantastic AWD systems. If I was concerned about safety only I'd be in an Audi. I've not owned a Subaru but I've heard some pretty positive things about them. I sure Land Rover does too.

The OP Is talking about fairly light duty needs and a RWD *MIGHT* be appropriate. He's not talking about snowy mountains. Geesh.

I don't personally go off road at all, neither does the OP.

I buy a Jeep mainly for Towing 4500Lbs and wouldn't own a RWD in New England (again) because I can afford it now. If they offered FWD, I'd consider it though. But I don't know of any FWD vehicle that can tow 5000-ish lbs.

I've owned Audi's too. They are quite good. Too low for deep snow though. But deep snow is rarely ever encountered, even at my vacation house up in central NH. I don't blink an eye taking the VW CC FWD vs Jeep both with Nokian Snows. Both very capable in the snow. But to be honest I think the VW CC does better on slick packed snow roads. Not sure why. So yeah I do sometimes blink and eye choosing Jeep vs the VW and I might lean towards the VW if it's icy. Or towards the Jeep if there is a rare chance of deep snow.

I do like Jeeps for Pot Holes in New England vs the Audi or VW. Where it can "Fall in" to some pot holes.

I know what a Jeep can do. But I know what other cars can do too.

Jeep is up near the top for Off-Road, but many of us could care less about that capability.
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I buy Jeeps specifically because their 4 wheel drive systems are the best in the world. I didn't buy one for gas milage or to putz around town. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I have 4 wheel drive quadra trac 2 and have been off road in places most people only dream about. I also have the V8 and anyone who buys a jeep to save gas has made a mistake. I can afford gas and don't concern myself with miles per gallon. When my gage reaches half a tank I fill up and don't worry about how far I have driven.
None of the Jeeps I've owned had All wheel drive nor do they advertize that they have this system. The last two I've owned had full time 4 wheel drive. All wheel drive is for those fancy foreign cars. I have never and will never own a foreign car.
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If gas mileage is a consideration, go buy a Prius (or basically anything else). Both the V6 and V8 get pretty terrible gas mileage, and the diesel is so expensive that you shouldn't be buying it if you can't afford the gas money (although it does get decent fuel economy, especially for an SUV).

I bought a Jeep for the world-class 4WD system (I got Quadra-Drive II), like you. The purpose of a Jeep has always been to get you anywhere, no matter the conditions or the route.

To the OP, I think you should go for the V8 with 4WD. If you decide to skimp on the V8, still get at least QT-II. It is understandable that some people might not want to spend the extra money on the V8, particularly if they won't use the power (especially since they are not charging $3200 for the V8). However, it is only an extra $2000 to upgrade from 2WD to QT-II on the Limited, which is one of the best 4WD systems out there (I'd say QT-II is top 10 in the world, QD-II is top 5). You not only gain one of the best 4WD systems, but also added safety (in all conditions), peace of mind, and you legitimize your purchase of a Jeep.

For the people saying that the 2WD is not that much worse than 4WD, I completely disagree. I had a 2WD 2014 JGC Limited while my Jeep (2014 JGC Overland 4x4) was in the shop, and the back wheels were losing traction when starting from a stop in the rain, and also got the tail out by accident when making a semi-aggressive left turn. I might be a more aggressive driver than the average person, but I was not exactly flooring it in either case (losing traction from a stop really surprised me because I was driving rather conservatively). I have NEVER lost traction in my Quadra-Drive II-equipped Jeep, even when messing around with it in the snow (by the way, it STICKS to the road in Snow mode). Could better tires solve the lack of traction in the 2WD versions? Sure, it could help, but a good set of tires will cost close (or more) than half of the cost of 4WD, and at the end of the day you still don't have 4WD. If you still need convincing, take a look at the off-road drives the media took of the 2014 JGCs when they first came out. There is NO way that a 2WD Jeep, regardless of tires, could have made that trip. Go for the 4WD.

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Re: JGC RWD vs 4WD?

If you think the 4wd drive system and select terrain on a WK2 is good go out and drive a 2014 Range Rover and Range Rover Sport with the next generation system. Hopefully when the WK3 or whatever it will be called debuts Fiat will allow Jeep to spend the money for this new system. But Sergio has to pay off his friends with Jeep profits so who knows.
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If you think the 4wd drive system and select terrain on a WK2 is good go out and drive a 2014 Range Rover and Range Rover Sport with the next generation system. Hopefully when the WK3 or whatever it will be called debuts Fiat will allow Jeep to spend the money for this new system. But Sergio has to pay off his friends with Jeep profits so who knows.
I have. I drove a 2014 RRS Autobiography in the rain and couldn't sense any difference from my JGC, although all that means is that I didn't lose traction. From what I have seen, the RRS is good off-road and can water ford a lot deeper water than the JGC (36" vs. 20"), but the JGC has it beat in other areas. For instance, check out the RRS off-road demo and the JGC off-road demo. The off-roading in the RRS demo is much tamer than that in the JGC demo, with the exception of water fording. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have yet to see a 2014 RRS rock-crawling like the 2014 WK2.
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I've owned Audi's too. They are quite good. Too low for deep snow though. But deep snow is rarely ever encountered, even at my vacation house up in central NH. I don't blink an eye taking the VW CC FWD vs Jeep both with Nokian Snows. Both very capable in the snow. But to be honest I think the VW CC does better on slick packed snow roads. Not sure why. So yeah I do sometimes blink and eye choosing Jeep vs the VW and I might lean towards the VW if it's icy. Or towards the Jeep if there is a rare chance of deep snow. I do like Jeeps for Pot Holes in New England vs the Audi or VW. Where it can "Fall in" to some pot holes. I know what a Jeep can do. But I know what other cars can do too. Jeep is up near the top for Off-Road, but many of us could care less about that capability.
An Audi is a VW just like an Acura is a Honda and a Lexus a Toyota. The reason your VW may do better on packed snow roads is it is a car and is much lighter than your Jeep with a much lower center of gravity. On packed snow, all wheels will experience exactly the same traction so AWD is less of an advantage. An AWD car with the same tires would probably do better than your VW though. My AWD BMW 3 series was certainly better on packed snow than my X5 even thought the X5 had Xdrive and the 3 series had the old fixed AWD system (like QT I).
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