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Re: Keyless Ignition Lawsuit - FCA among the sued manufacturers

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What's the difference with leaving the engine running with a key left in the ignition, vs. leaving it running with the keyless fob in your pocket? Stupid is what stupid does.
I think you are missing the point. The cars can be driven without the key fob in the car. These cars do not default to a limp mode when the key fob is not detected, they do not automatically shut off...they just beep annoyingly.

There are multiple facets to the lawsuit, not just the frivolous aspect of the car owner NOT turning off his engine.

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Old 08-27-2015, 12:17 PM
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Class action=rich lawyers.
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Re: Keyless Ignition Lawsuit - FCA among the sued manufacturers

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I think you are missing the point. The cars can be driven without the key fob in the car. These cars do not default to a limp mode when the key fob is not detected, they do not automatically shut off...they just beep annoyingly.

There are multiple facets to the lawsuit, not just the frivolous aspect of the car owner NOT turning off his engine.
The WK2 was DESIGNED this way for a reason! If the key fob dies while driving (due to a dead battery or something else) then the vehicle doesn't shut down or go into limp mode. Jeep figured this was the better option vs. having the vehicle stop or become partially disabled because it could detect a key fob. The vehicle does provide an audible and visual alarm when it can no longer detect a key fob.

Of course, no system is idiot proof. Partly because they keep coming out with better idiots!
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The WK2 was DESIGNED this way for a reason! If the key fob dies while driving (due to a dead battery or something else) then the vehicle doesn't shut down or go into limp mode. Jeep figured this was the better option vs. having the vehicle stop or become partially disabled because it could detect a key fob. The vehicle does provide an audible and visual alarm when it can no longer detect a key fob.

Of course, no system is idiot proof. Partly because they keep coming out with better idiots!
Some are very creative in their idiocy.
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My personal opinion is that this is yet another frivolous law suit that could only benefit the firm(s) that are managing it if they actually prevail.
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Been thinkin about getting me one of those law degrees.

Anyone else get a letter from some ambulance chasing firm recently?
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Re: Keyless Ignition Lawsuit - FCA among the sued manufacturers

The issue I heard with this lawsuit is people pulling into their garage and not shutting the vehicle off with resulting carbon monoxide accumulating in their house. People pull into their garage, hit the garage door button, jump out of the car, and with the garage door motor running they don't hear their car engine still running.


Seems like it would be possible to have the car turn off automatically after some amount of time (30 minutes, 15 minutes) if the car is in PARK and the FOB has pulled an Elvis and left the building. Or maybe make it an Optional setting in UConnect or an overridable popup in the EVIC in case of a dead FOB battery.


You've got to admit, it WOULD be better if the things did not sit there and run forever if someone forgot to hit the stop button. We ALL have brain farts every once in a while.
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The issue I heard with this lawsuit is people pulling into their garage and not shutting the vehicle off with resulting carbon monoxide accumulating in their house. People pull into their garage, hit the garage door button, jump out of the car, and with the garage door motor running they don't hear their car engine still running.

Seems like it would be possible to have the car turn off automatically after some amount of time (30 minutes, 15 minutes) if the car is in PARK and the FOB has pulled an Elvis and left the building. Or maybe make it an Optional setting in UConnect or an overridable popup in the EVIC in case of a dead FOB battery.

You've got to admit, it WOULD be better if the things did not sit there and run forever if someone forgot to hit the stop button. We ALL have brain farts every once in a while.
I still don't know how this is any different than pulling in the garage and not shutting the engine with a key.
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Re: Keyless Ignition Lawsuit - FCA among the sued manufacturers

have to agree with grady above, but from my years with a key, it's a very obvious physical response, I turned the key, do I have it. My jeep, won't turn off if I hit the button in gear (does ping at me).

but hybrids coming in under electron power and getting out with the motor coming on later to power the batteries! If car hasn't moved in a determined time and batteries are low, shut off.
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Re: Keyless Ignition Lawsuit - FCA among the sued manufacturers

I agree with those who have stated that there is little difference between leaving a vehicle running with keyless-go, and a vehicle with a conventional keyed ignition. Anyone clueless enough to leave a keyless-go vehicle running in an enclosed space would also be likely to do the same with a keyed ignition vehicle.

IMHO, Where these attorneys really missed the mark, is remote start. I would say it is very likely for a parent to leave their key fob in the house where a child could access it. All the child has to do is hit the remote start button twice, and viola, Carbon Monoxide.

Even scarier is UConnect. Let's say I'm in San Francisco, and the Jeep is in my garage in Florida. I access the UConnect app on my phone, and decide to lock my doors, so the kids at home won't get in the Jeep. By mistake, I hit remote start...

Granted, remote start does time out, but in a small, one car garage, I don't think it would take too long for CO to accumulate to dangerous levels.

In a Country where no one seems to be held responsible for their actions, this is where we have come to...
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Cars should be banned and we should be either walking or taking mass transit. They are to dangerous, especially in the hands of idiots.


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Re: Keyless Ignition Lawsuit - FCA among the sued manufacturers

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IMHO, Where these attorneys really missed the mark, is remote start. I would say it is very likely for a parent to leave their key fob in the house where a child could access it. All the child has to do is hit the remote start button twice, and viola, Carbon Monoxide.

Even scarier is UConnect. Let's say I'm in San Francisco, and the Jeep is in my garage in Florida. I access the UConnect app on my phone, and decide to lock my doors, so the kids at home won't get in the Jeep. By mistake, I hit remote start...

Granted, remote start does time out, but in a small, one car garage, I don't think it would take too long for CO to accumulate to dangerous levels.

In a Country where no one seems to be held responsible for their actions, this is where we have come to...

Well you are wrong for several reason!

Remote Start times out after 15 minutes. And that is NOT long enough for carbon monoxide to build up to dangerous levels (yes... its been researched & tested).

And if a person is stupid and/or careless, it shouldn't negatively affect features and functionality for the rest of us! This goes DOUBLE for Parents!



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