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Old 09-24-2010, 11:09 AM
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Forget the literature and actually go see and touch the new seats.
I don't doubt it. My point was just that it's a shame that the literature is wrong and misleading.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:12 PM
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

Good news! My dealer finally got an Overland with the saddle leather seats. I saw it today in person and can attest that the bolsters are leather and NOT vinyl like I saw on a few Overlands several months ago. Not sure if they changed it on other colors. When I go back to the dealer I will check.
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:40 PM
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

My Overland has the Vinyl Bolster. You dont notice them at all and it really doesnt bother me. Now if only I can get it out of the Body Shop!!!
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

most automotive "leather" interiors are vinyl covered to protect against water damage. that is why the care instructions call for a damp towel instead of leather cleaner.
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Old 01-05-2011, 09:16 PM
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

I brought the wife down to the dealer to see the saddle in a black Overland. Asked the salesman to park a red Overland next to it (wife was liking red) that had frost interior. The frost had vinyl bolsters and the middle of the back seat and arm rests were vinyl. The saddle was all leather everywhere I could see.

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Re: Leather "Inserts"

Only the seating surfaces themselves are leather on every leather-appointed WK2 that I looked at including the vehicles with vented leather seats. While some may think this is inappropriate, that's the same thing I had on several expensive Audis; only the seating areas were leather butt to back.

Personally, I think it's a good thing that the bolsters are vinyl (and a very high quality vinyl too) because those bolster will get a lot of wear and tear forces over the years. The vinyl bolsters will hold up better over many years than would a leather-covered bolster. A few cars I had in the past did have "full leather" seats and the bolster area did not hold up well after ~4-5 years had passed. In an SUV like the WK2, there would actually be even more severe wear & tear applied to the bolsters by climbing in & out than in a car.

Sure vinyl can crack/peel over time but so can leather due to UV affects. The Audis I referred to with leather seating and vinyl bolsters saw over 150,000 miles (each) covering 7 years and held up fine with the vinyl looking slightly better for the wear than the leather parts. If it looks and feels good, why should it matter anyway if the bolsters are vinyl?
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Old 01-06-2011, 10:31 AM
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

I agree with Bmwister...

I have a WKII Limited with the leather inserts and I am happy that the bolsters are vinyl and the sides are some fabric material - it is more forgiving. And, you have to really be looking at it to know its vinyl - I have Black Interior.

Next time you are at a car dealership look at the Leather seats of a 6-yr old luxury car, especially an SUV. I'd bet that most are cracked or worn. My '06 RR S/C had the Premuim Interior (was def leather all around) and even after four years it was starting to look worn - and I am careful not to slide out of my cars.

Mercedes-Benz sells more of its SUVs & Crossovers with thier MB-Tex or "Leatherette" interior than Leather. I have to say i was a little PO'd that a $50k+ vehicle didn't come standard with leather. But, upon further research and test drives we finally ordered our 2010 R350 with thte MB-Tex interior. And, it was not because of cost but because of durability (young kids) and the fact we could hardly tell the difference (most of our friends think it is leather - it is very nice). Granted this is the entire seat and we clearly knew what we were buying (I agree that Jeep has mislead the consumer) but I dont think it is a major crime to have a leather insert and vinyl bolster.

Tint the windows and the vinyl (and your leather) will last longer.
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

I chose the 2002 GC Limited instead of the Overland specifically because the bolsters were suede in the Overland. I knew what that was going to look like after a few months...
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:15 AM
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

Just looked at an Overland with black leather today. The dealer just got it in yesterday. The bolsters are leather!! It seems that at some point this fall they may have stopped using vinyl on the bolsters.
They had a also Limited with leather and the bolsters were vinyl.

I personally do not think vinyl is a good idea. My 2005 Limited has them and they cracked on the drivers side. In my experience, if you use a leather cleaner and conditioner once a year the leather holds up nicely.

The all leather seats (tops) in my '98 Limited looked great for the 7 years I owned it.
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

I dont see what the big deal is. Its my understanding that this is mainly done because vinyl can withstand the high wear that those parts of the seats will get better than real leather. Sounds good to me.

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Re: Leather "Inserts"

Picked up our Overland yesterday. I couldn't tell you for sure what the seat material is - and wouldn't speculate about how it will look five or seven years from now. But right now - the seats are beautiful - material is supple and has a great feel, and the seats are supportive and extremely comfortable. I am excited to give this thing a road trip test of four or five hours- I don't think a purchase decision on this vehicle should be based on whether you have vinyl or leather bolsters-step back and figure out if you like the vehicle as a whole. My wife was intrigued by the Cadillac SRX, and that has a luxurious interior - In my opinion, the seats in the GC Overland are a nicer configuration, and materials just as nice. (Ultimately, GC had more features for price, and the SRX engine is underpowered - and I am not pretending that the two vehicles are equivalent, it is not an apples to apples comparison - after doing a lot of shopping, I don't think there is another vehicle that offers the GC's combo of luxury and capability). Anyway, just my two cents - see the forest, not just the trees.
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Re: Leather "Inserts"

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Anyway, just my two cents - see the forest, not just the trees.
I know I'm not typical but I like to look at the forest AND the trees. I highly doubt, especially after seeing recent models w/o vinyl, that the intent was durability. I'm thinking it is more likely to be linked to a shortage of leather and trying to rush these cars out.

To me its a small detail that takes a little away from the car (Overland). Especially at $45K. For all the big talk about how no expense was spared...well, there was.

Looks like it may be a non-issue now though.
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