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More than ground clearance makes a good off road vehicle, but there is casual off road, running trails, and aggressive off roading through challenging terains. Things like manuverabilty/wheelbase, departure and entry angles, engine torque, suspension articulation all come into play. And then no vehicle can make up for a lack of driver skill.

The advice you get here is often slanted to aggressive off roading, where that 2 inches in clearance can mean the difference in being stuck on a rock and not.

The WK is pretty good for casual trail riding, better than most. You could miss the clearance on rocks, but if you want to rock climb routinely, there are better Jeeps. The worst thing about the GC, IMHO, is all that really nice sheet metal just waiting to meet a rock.

Just about any mod you do to better off road performance will compromise road feel and handling, and the trade off is a subjective thing that only you can answer.

Great post.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:04 AM
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Re: Limited 4x4 off road capable ?

Here's some good reading for you. Probably more than you want to even know...
http://www.jeep.com/en/4x4/
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Let me give you a little comparison I had a hummer H3 and traded that in for the Jeep, the hummer was very off road capable and I loved doing stupid things with it. The hummer has .1 of a inch less in ground clearance then your jeep. The H3 can ford more water due to its higher hood design but the jeep can do just about everything else the H3 can. If you wanted to get serious about offroading with your jeep I would suggest getting smaller rims around 16" and bigger tires and make sure you have the skid plate package. I am unsure what the max size wheel the well can handle but really those are the only things I think that would make it more capable then it is.
Only one problem with your recommendation: any rim smaller than 18" will not clear the brakes of the Hemi equipped version, and I'm not so sure a 16" wheelset will clear the brakes on a Pentastar WK2.

I fully agree that the one real limitation to the rock hopping prowess of the Grand Cherokee is probably the wheels/tires. With a good set of AT tires, an 18" package should get you the vast majority of the places you might desire to go. If a set of insane off road wheels and tires are required, it might have been a better idea to get a Wrangler that's been suitably modified (or do it yourself), because at that point the owner will be well into the single minded offroading community anyway.

IMO, the WK2 suitably equipped (with the tow hooks, skid plates, and some competent A/T tires) is as capable as a comfortable SUV can be reasonably expected to be.
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Only one problem with your recommendation: any rim smaller than 18" will not clear the brakes of the Hemi equipped version, and I'm not so sure a 16" wheelset will clear the brakes on a Pentastar WK2.

I fully agree that the one real limitation to the rock hopping prowess of the Grand Cherokee is probably the wheels/tires. With a good set of AT tires, an 18" package should get you the vast majority of the places you might desire to go. If a set of insane off road wheels and tires are required, it might have been a better idea to get a Wrangler that's been suitably modified (or do it yourself), because at that point the owner will be well into the single minded offroading community anyway.

IMO, the WK2 suitably equipped (with the tow hooks, skid plates, and some competent A/T tires) is as capable as a comfortable SUV can be reasonably expected to be.
Yeah your right about the disks I forgot they are larger on the hemi, I believe the v6 models could go to 16's or atleast 17's. I personally would use my GC for some mudding and light to moderate offroading. I am not a big fan of rock crawling but even so like others have mentioned I think there are other jeeps more suited for that. I think the underside would get banged up pretty bad, and I am unsure if they even make rock rails for the new GC. Like mentioned a balance would need to be found between your off-road abilities and your on road smoothness of ride.
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Re: Limited 4x4 off road capable ?

I have a Trail Rated Overland. I had it on a wicked rough, rocky trail in North Carolina in May. Jeep's are indeed CAPABLE, no doubt in my mind.
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