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Old 12-10-2010, 10:05 PM
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Also a 2 second difference in optimal 1/4 mile time will not be perceptable in daily driving situations, only in side by side competition. If you don't believe that ride with a few friends of mine with cars that are within seconds of each other, you will be eqaully thrilled in all of them.




Two seconds in the quarter mile is a HUGE performance difference. (~20 car lengths depending on trap speed)
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Two seconds in the quarter mile is a HUGE performance difference. (~20 car lengths depending on trap speed)
Thats true, but you will not see it in daily driving or traffic, only at the track or stop light racing.

My sons '01 SS Camaro turns 12's in the qaurter consistently (not stock), I have a car that turns 14's. On the street you can't realize the difference, unless you are driving in an unsafe manner. Like I said that kind of driving is for the track.

A better correlation to street driving would be road course. When you enter this form of competition the driver is more of a factor than the car (same for the street). For HPDE (high performance driving event) events I use a car with 420hp at road Atlanta. These events allow most street cars and novice drivers. The last time out I was turning laps 1-2 seconds faster than 3 Z06 corvettes at the event. With 505hp the vettes should be the winner hands down, especially if you want to rely on numbers such as the r/t reports. Actual driving differs greatly from the numbers game.
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... not from guys who just dropped 40+ on a new GC and are trying to convince themselves and others that its not a dog...NUF Said!
The Hemi JGC a dog?

I can't understand where all your Jeep hate is coming fro...oh, Kia just called, your credit app was declined.
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Old 12-11-2010, 02:21 PM
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Thats true, but you will not see it in daily driving or traffic, only at the track or stop light racing.

Sorry, I do not think many "car" people would agree with that statement. Let's get away from the drag racing or stop light discussion for a moment. A 2 second difference means there is a huge disparity in performance in every situation.

I experience this very same 2 sec difference a few times a week when I go from my ZJ 4.0 DD beater to the WJ 4.7HO. It is a completely NIGHT/DAY performance difference. Every time I have to merge on the highway with the ZJ; the ass pucker quotient shoots through the roof. Greater power and performance means greater safety and piece of mind. The WJ feels like a cruise missile compared to the ZJ.

Further, when I take my modified GP GTP (garage queen) for a spin, it makes the WJ seem like it was towing a boat. All three of these vehicles are roughly 2 secs apart. (13's to 15's to 17's)
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Sorry, I do not think many "car" people would agree with that statement..... Greater power and performance means greater safety and piece of mind.
While an underpowered vehicle does increase risk, an adequately powered one eliminates that added risk.

Greater power does not equal greater safety, there are many other factors that are far more important. Vehicle mass, structural strength, safety features, visibilty, etc, etc.

Otherwise, Lambo's would be the safest cars on the road.
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While an underpowered vehicle does increase risk, an adequately powered one eliminates that added risk.

Greater power does not equal greater safety, there are many other factors that are far more important. Vehicle mass, structural strength, safety features, visibilty, etc, etc.

Otherwise, Lambo's would be the safest cars on the road.

More power in the same vehicle (3.6 vs. 5.7 WK2) with a good driver will equate to better safety. In any event, the most important thing in regards to safety in any vehicle is the driver.

Back to the OP, only you can answer the question as to whether the HEMI in the WK2 is adequate for you. Having driven both versions of the WK2, I found the HEMI to be very good but a little lackluster for its specs. If you are coming from a much faster vehicle it will take a while to get used to but it's plenty powerful for sure.
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Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.

I typed out a big response, but you know what, it isn't worth it.

If you want a drag strip winner, the Grand Cherokee isn't for you. Deal with it and get over yourself. Go get your fuel guzzling tire burning rocket and tell your friends how you're so much safer because you're that much a better driver.

You obviously are so much better behind the wheel that your opinions of a vehicle you haven't driven are superior to those of owners and automotive journalists, who are all just shy of unanimous that the V-6 is dang fine, the V-8 is more than enough, and there's just no point to a 5 second 0-60 and a 13 second quarter mile in an off road capable SUV.

Get on down with your bad self.
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I typed out a big response, but you know what, it isn't worth it.

If you want a drag strip winner, the Grand Cherokee isn't for you. Deal with it and get over yourself. Go get your fuel guzzling tire burning rocket and tell your friends how you're so much safer because you're that much a better driver.

You obviously are so much better behind the wheel that your opinions of a vehicle you haven't driven are superior to those of owners and automotive journalists, who are all just shy of unanimous that the V-6 is dang fine, the V-8 is more than enough, and there's just no point to a 5 second 0-60 and a 13 second quarter mile in an off road capable SUV.

Get on down with your bad self.

OK, not sure why you directed this at me but you have some serious issues. Every time someone wants more performance from their SUV you chime in with drivel.

I've driven both the 3.6 and 5.7 WK2. The HEMI is fine. The six struggles with the weight and gearing. Many journalists and people who have driven it agree. If you are happy, then that is fine. Just go to your happy place.
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OK, not sure why you directed this at me but you have some serious issues. Every time someone wants more performance from their SUV you chime in with drivel.

I've driven both the 3.6 and 5.7 WK2. The HEMI is fine. The six struggles with the weight and gearing. Many journalists and people who have driven it agree. If you are happy, then that is fine. Just go to your happy place.
Whatever, dude.

Your contention is that even a 7.5 second 0-60 time isn't enough. I'm telling you that you're full of crap. If you absolutely must have more speed, go get something else. This one ain't for you.
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Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.

Someone should call the insurance companies and tell them their actuarial tables are all wrong, because in each and every case, all other factors being equal, a more powerful engine results in higher insurance premiums.

Apparently hundreds of millions in research over decades has not revealed the secret that lower power engines result in more accidents
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Whatever, dude.

Your contention is that even a 7.5 second 0-60 time isn't enough. I'm telling you that you're full of crap. If you absolutely must have more speed, go get something else. This one ain't for you.

You have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader. Here is what I wrote:

"Back to the OP, only you can answer the question as to whether the HEMI in the WK2 is adequate for you. Having driven both versions of the WK2, I found the HEMI to be very good but a little lackluster for its specs. If you are coming from a much faster vehicle it will take a while to get used to but it's plenty powerful for sure."

In fact, the 3.6 is fine for the majority of buyers. Not everyone is an enthusiast. Some like to get from point A to B in a leisurely manner.

This will be the last time I respond to your insecurity.
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Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.

I have no idea what the critical factor is...but I do know that statistically, higher performance engine = higher risk - whatever the reason.

Part of it could be that owners of high performance cars see themselves as "better drivers" and engage in risky behavior.

I'm pretty sure the guys I see weaving in and out of traffic, and driving on the shoulder at high speeds are confident they are much better drivers than the rest of us.
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