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Question Looking to Trade our 15 Altitude for a 16 High Altitude.. Engine Advice requested.

So My Wife and I have had our JGC Altitude for just over a year and for the most part have enjoyed it.

Medium Steel Metallic with all available option upgrades and a few minor Mods such as the 4" Jeep Black Chrome Exhaust Tips, Husky X Act Contour rubber liners. Black Gorilla Lug Nuts, SS Pedals Etc..

Currently at 19k miles and has been problem free with just a few minor hiccups.

The Transmission is mostly what has driven me nuts.. It seems like the 8 speed tranny was not designed for the V6.. Perhaps I'm wrong but it seems inconsistent and a tad jerky at times. Especially when speeding up quickly on the highway etc..

My Wife's only complaint is the lack of the LED Headlights found on the higher end models.

Since I haven't been able to find any easy solutions to the headlight retro and it appears to not be plug and play (let me know if im wrong) It still looks like it would cost me over 2k to do a Retro ??

With that being Said I showed her a couple of pics of the High Altitude in White.. She really likes it and said she would prefer to get her next car in Silver... No complaints with the Medium Steel Metallic ... we have it Ceramic Coated and the paint looks like Glass.

However if we are to buy a new vehicle it wouldn't feel so much different to us without selecting a new color.

So a Silver 2016 High Altitude is in our sights.

My question is for those that have had experience with either which Engine would you go with??

Hemi V8 or EcoDiesel 6 ??

we are going to go with 1 of the 2 engine choices... This Vehicle is primarily City Driven.. Though where we live it isn't bumper to bumper traffic City living ..

This is the vehicle we also do most of our Highway Travelling in .

I appreciate your thoughts and input on the engine choices

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Re: Looking to Trade our 15 Altitude for a 16 High Altitude.. Engine Advice requested

I cant speak for the diesel, but I have had both the Hemi in my 2014 Summit and now the V6 in my recently purchased High Altitude.

I did not consider the Diesel mainly because the cost of it, I hear lots of stories about issues with it and I guess other maintenance that isnt normally required on the gas models, plus gas is dirt cheap right now. Diesel costs more than premium typically.

So with that said here are my thoughts on the Hemi. First off the power and interior cabin sound is awesome! Just under normal acceleration you can tell there is something big powering it. Fuel economy is ok, certainly not great. if you do lots of stop and go its gonna be bad. If your are in far suburbs it will be pretty much as advertised about 16-17. In winter even lower if that applies to you. My Summit with the V8 felt heavy! You can tell it weighs more just in everyday driving. It has hydraulic steering which requires much more effort. Word has it the '16 Hemi will be equipped with the same electric steering that the current V6 has which might make it feel lighter.

I nowe have a new '15 High Altitude V6 and really like it so far. In everyday driving the V6 and overall interior is much more quiet. Thats not road noise or anything, but the Hemi puts out some rumbling during acceleration that is much more quiet in the V6. I know the High Altitude has a sportier suspension than the regular air suspension, but my V6 HA drives MUCH better than my V8 Summit did. That thing felt like a tank where as my new HA feels more like driving a sedan. It was that nice that I had no problems giving up the sound and power of the V8.
I only have 150 miles on my new HA, but the tranny is very smooth. no twitchy or jerky shifting whatsoever and thats even in some extreme cold temps. One thing that kind of annoyed me about the 8spd in my Hemi which was awesome BTW, the 1-2 shift is always very noticeable. In the V6 is smooth as butter so far which I really like.
The V8 recommends mid grade fuel (you can use regular if you want to), the V6 obviously regular.

Like I said before I have no experience with the diesel, but I would recommend getting the V6 again. Not sure if they did anything different with the tranny or software, but my recent built HA shifts excellent (knock on wood).


Here are a couple pictures of Billet Silver High Altitude when I was at the dealership buying mine. It was a tough call between the white and silver, but this silver one didn't have HK audio and that was a must. Also a picture of the white one that I bought with the silver one behind it to compare.



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I think that most people here seem happy with the V6 and the 8 speed transmission. Most say it is much better than the previous 6 speed. Have you had the dealer check yours for any issues, prior to taking a big hit for LED lights?
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Re: Looking to Trade our 15 Altitude for a 16 High Altitude.. Engine Advice requested

JTS97Z28: I didn't realize you got the HA, I though it was only a loaner or something, anyway congrats!
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JTS97Z28: I didn't realize you got the HA, I though it was only a loaner or something, anyway congrats!
That one was just an extended test drive. I ended up buying a different one.
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That one was just an extended test drive. I ended up buying a different one.
Got rid of the V8? I am actually leaning more toward the V8 Summit now after reading your posts.
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I think that most people here seem happy with the V6 and the 8 speed transmission. Most say it is much better than the previous 6 speed. Have you had the dealer check yours for any issues, prior to taking a big hit for LED lights?
+1 I think he's just looking to move into a higher model.
IMO needing brighter/prettier headlights is not a reason to drop 10k into virtually the same car after 1 yr ...but it's not my money.

I've been a member of a few forums and have never seen so many people "upgrade" into the slightly updated model of the same car in under 2 years.
I guess that's just signs of a strong economy.
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+1 I think he's just looking to move into a higher model.
IMO needing brighter/prettier headlights is not a reason to drop 10k into virtually the same car after 1 yr ...but it's not my money.

I've been a member of a few forums and have never seen so many people "upgrade" into the slightly updated model of the same car in under 2 years.
I guess that's just signs of a strong economy.
Strong economy plus a lot of people are getting these Jeeps at huge discounts off MSRP making resale very attractive after only 1 or 2 years, Of course not worth to someone who pays sticker.
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Strong economy plus a lot of people are getting these Jeeps at huge discounts off MSRP making resale very attractive after only 1 or 2 years, Of course not worth to someone who pays sticker.
Not sure what the vehicle sales tax is in your area but in cook county Illinois it's 7.25 so even if you sell your car private party for a good price you're still going to get hosed paying tax on the new car purchase.

That's $3625 on a $50k car plus plate and doc fees.

So even if you're getting 5% under invoice on purchase you'll still be losing a fair amount with depreciation.

Now what someone calls attractive is debatable.
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Not sure what the vehicle sales tax is in your area but in cook county Illinois it's 7.25 so even if you sell your car private party for a good price you're still going to get hosed paying tax on the new car purchase.

That's $3625 on a $50k car plus plate and doc fees.

So even if you're getting 5% under invoice on purchase you'll still be losing a fair amount with depreciation.

Now what someone calls attractive is debatable.
Here the tax is %8.75, I guess trading in for a newer model allows you to roll the taxes over, but you are right selling private is not much of a bargain.
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Re: Looking to Trade our 15 Altitude for a 16 High Altitude.. Engine Advice requested

Sales Tax in Fl where I am located = 6%

Not wonderful.. But not too bad.

We would more than likely sell private Party as the area we are in usually keeps no more than 1 or 2 altitude in stock at a time.. Unless the dealer offers us a good reason to trade up.

Don't get me wrong If all I had to do was spend 2k for some lights and call it a day I may just go that route.. But I really do think we would prefer the V8 as well.. Would probably go ahead and spring for the Dual Pane Sunroof as well.

My car is a 2015 M4.. so naturally I am a fan of power. Therefore I am the one pushing the different engine.

I just didn't know enough about the EcoDiesel and was looking for some input on the 8 vs diesel... but after doing a little reading today I do see that the ED has had its fair share of quirks.

Not knocking the V6 too hard it had decent power , but the tranny just seems a bit off to me and I would as well as my wife would prefer a little more power. Perhaps I can schedule an apt to see if there are any software updates for the transmission?

Overall We love Jeep's her car before was a 13 Sahara Wrangler that we traded in for the JGC A. But it was missing a couple of features that we liked on the higher end models.. but we love the black out look and would honestly prob prefer the HA to the Overland.

We aren't in a huge rush as I'm out to get the best deal possible so we take the smallest amount of a beating on the upgrade. Luckily when you aren't rushed you have plenty of time to have multiple dealers compete on pricing.

That and I usually handle it all online and simply come in to sign the paperwork once the deal has been finalized.
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The quirks the ED has had were mostly emissions related and confined to the '14 models. The 2015's have not had nearly as many issues. Over 24,000 miles on my '14 I only had the P20EE code with the bad SCR catalyst that was taken care of at my local dealer in less than 48 hours. I traded up to a 2015 Overland a couple months ago. No issues in the 1,600 miles it's driven.

If you do a lot of towing or highway cruising, the diesel is great. Blows the V8 out of the water in towing economy. If all you do is tool around town, get a gasser.
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