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Old 09-13-2016, 12:11 PM
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I don't doubt your right. The impact was unbelievable though......
No doubt it was. You're talking about a vehicle that weighs roughly 6400 lbs making contact a few feet (or even inches) away from your body. That's substantial, and the Jeep did a great job of protecting you like it should.

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All I'm going to remind you of is the general reaction people have to slam on the brakes impending a collision. I could be going 45MPH, and even though I am very close to the object I'm going to collide with, I will impact it at a much slower speed because of the last ditch effort to stop.
You're correct that the the impact speed could be less than the initial speed. That is assuming, that the other driver saw it coming and hit the brakes. That being said, you may be surprised at how little of a change it actually is. For example, we know the truck turned into the side of the OP so I'd venture to guess that there was very little breaking (if at all). To play devil's advocate though and I'll assume they did smash the brake and reduce speed. However that reduction would be less than you'd likely expect. For example:
Say the truck started at 35 mph (10 mph over the limit). Since they were already turning the braking distance isn't going to be much more than a lane width (otherwise they would have been braking straight ahead and not started to turn). A normal traffic lane is usually about 12' wide, so I'll assume 15' of 100% braking to give the truck more than a lane worth of braking. Using the IPTM Combined Speed Formula (assuming normal dry roads), the impact speed would be 30.5 mph. That's only taking off 5 mph. Even being optimistic and assuming they jammed the brakes at 30' away (almost 3 lanes) they would only have taken off 10 mph from that initial 35 mph speed, making impact roughly 25.
As noted though, we're assuming the truck braked prior to impact, and obviously having to make assumptions about the road surface and distance of braking. The point I guess I'm trying to make is that even if they jammed the brake they didn't reduce that much speed. So I still doubt they were going exceptionally fast. Obviously I could be wrong though without any actual evidence from the scene.

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Regardless of the exact speed, that's still a lot of mass t-boning that JGC and the level of protection did its job impressively.
I couldn't agree more. That's a lot of steel hitting in very close proximity of the fragile human body. Since I'm being Mr. Math today, we can actually get an idea of force too. Figuring the average 3/4 ton pickup weighs roughly 6,400 lbs (empty) we have an idea of a minimum force. That much weight, even at the slow speed of 15 mph is a massive 48,000 ft-lbs of force. That's taking a freaking shot.

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Wow you took a bad hit. Usually with a accident like that it causes neck injuries or worse. Sure happy to hear everyone is okay! Jeep does look like a total loss. !
Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with that too. That Jeep is done. Looks like a good excuse to buy a 75th anniversary edition, or to wait a week or two and get a '17. Might as well make some good out of it, eh?

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..... Be safe my friends...slow down in inclement weather.
Solid advice. We just had fatal crash in the area were a HMV hydroplaned, went left of center and struck a car head-on. The driver and the child in the back seat of the car were both killed. The crash is still under investigation, but the wet roads were, in all probability, a major factor



*And a foot note. Since I referred to using IPTM formuals. They are the Institute of Police Technology and Management. This is essentially the standard for crash reconstruction, used by police and insurance companies world wide. Engineers use similar formulas, however they take a slightly different approach.

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Old 09-13-2016, 03:36 PM
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Re: Lost the jeep today I think?

It is nice to read that your injuries were minimal.
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Old 09-13-2016, 03:55 PM
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Glad to hear you and wife are well and the safety engineering worked, RIP to that Jeep tho...
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Glad to hear you and wife are well and the safety engineering worked, RIP to that Jeep tho...

Thanks as soon as I get the word the jeep is totaled we will start looking for a new one I would like to get 17 altitude IV depends when it launches or maybe get a good deal on a 16


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Old 09-13-2016, 05:28 PM
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Re: Lost the jeep today I think?

Might as well start looking, but just wait to pull the trigger until they confirm it. I can't imagine they'd be able to fix that for less than they could replace it. Of course I'm no mechanic or body shop guy, so I'm just guessing.
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Re: Lost the jeep today I think?

The way it looks would you really want it back in your garage?
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Re: Lost the jeep today I think?

Glad to hear you and wife are OK, Sorry for the loss of the Jeep. Heal quickly.

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Re: Lost the jeep today I think?

Jeez... Glad to hear that you and your lady are okay.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:31 AM
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The way it looks would you really want it back in your garage?
"The way it looks", no. After all the damaged is fixed, sure why not. Sorry, I know what you meant, but I couldn't resist. Obviously you were talking about concerns with unforeseen issues or lasting effects from the crash. Which is one of the reasons I doubt they'd try to fix it.
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"The way it looks", no. After all the damaged is fixed, sure why not. Sorry, I know what you meant, but I couldn't resist. Obviously you were talking about concerns with unforeseen issues or lasting effects from the crash. Which is one of the reasons I doubt they'd try to fix it.

Yea I definitely don't want the jeep back as much as a liked it. It was my wife's DD. So the adjuster will be coming to look at it hopefully by Saturday and make the call. Will go start looking at the 16's they are offering big discounts at a couple dealers in the area. Hopefully we can get the ball rolling soon. I'm driving my daughters car while she at college and my wife is driving mine. She is already complaining lol


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Glad your ok. Those Goodyear Fortera's are bad in the rain. I had an appointment for for next Saturday to get some Michelin premier ltx's before my accident with only 6k on my jeep.


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Re: Lost the jeep today I think?

Just my opinion, but for off-road/trail use, a little leeway is preferable to having the vehicle take control with every little bump or slip. It would become quite annoying to have the Jeep cut power, apply braking, etc with every little slip of dirt, gravel, or other loose terrain. Not that I'm saying I want it to have no traction controls at all, but some of these systems that are designed for luxury street queens (cough cough, Mercedes, BMW), is not the ideal format for a vehicle marketed as an off-road capable machine like the Jeep is. Yes I want my Jeep to be well mannered on the road too, but if I want a vehicle that's going to do all the driving for me, I'm probably not going to take it off the pavement. In which case, then I guess it's time to consider a $60K+ luxury car instead of a $40K Jeep. Just my two cents though. My opinion on it is no more valid than anyone else, so take it for what it's worth. That said though, the Fortera's are pretty mediocre tires.
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