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Re: making the 14 v-6 a little faster

AFAIK the original was credited to Augie Pabst around 1957: "There ain't no substitute for cubic inches". The alliterative form came later.

That said to me the 3.27" stroke is perfect and I have a soft spot for DOHC 6's. Ever hear a Jag with bananas or even a Corvair with trombones ? No V-8 ever sounded like that particularly past 5,000 rpm.

That said want a 6 to go fast ? Start with a 2WD Laredo then rip about 600 lbs of rear seats and covers and spare tire out. Shorten the rear tires by about 4 inches. Then put in a TD.
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lol Bastards are ruining it for us. Regardless that would present a problem wouldn't it? Gains would be limited to what could be had with HFCs or deleting the cats altogether so less to be had there for sure. Wonder if it would be raspy or produce drone?
With the technology in todays cats you might gain 2 maybe 3 horsepower... why? You will never notice the difference and make your exhaust nauseating to everyone.
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With the technology in todays cats you might gain 2 maybe 3 horsepower... why? You will never notice the difference and make your exhaust nauseating to everyone.
Not true, a gain of around 5 percent is not at all unusual on most any car. On the m3 I have sitting 20 feet away from me right now I did better than that. If you do go with high flows you can expect even the best 100 CEL to cost you 5 hp or so and the number will only be that low if you don't mount it in the stock location but further downstream where it's less hurtful to flow and scavenging because the problem isn't just the cat, it's where they're mounted to attain light off compliance.

As to the smell, I grew up without em and it bothers me and a whole bunch of people I know not at all. That said there are many angles. A lot of the cars I have owned can get a guy pulled over on principle and I refuse to mount a front plate which doesn't help either. Once you are on the side of the road you might be surprised how many LEO's recognize the scent of cat surgery. I personally usually run HFCs just for that reason and give up the power loss. A compromise but life is full of em.
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Re: making the 14 v-6 a little faster

The horsepower per dollar ratio for most of the aftermarket stuff is very small. The car magazines all push the stuff made by the aftermarket companies, as that is their job, but people do not have to fall for it. The V8 option costs no more than the total of many common modifications, yet yields much more power, and the fuel mileage is not substantially different for many people.
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[QUOTE="FStephenMasek;926905"]The horsepower per dollar ratio for most of the aftermarket stuff is very small. The car magazines all push the stuff made by the aftermarket companies, as that is their job, but people do not have to fall for it. The V8 option costs no more than the total of many common modifications, yet yields much more power, and the fuel mileage is not substantially different for many people.[/QUOTE
But not everybody can afford that chunk of money up front, or an extra 100 dollars on a car payment.
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The horsepower per dollar ratio for most of the aftermarket stuff is very small. The car magazines all push the stuff made by the aftermarket companies, as that is their job, but people do not have to fall for it.
I agree on this one.

And a "tune" from a professional tuner will usually get you more power than a bunch of bolt-ons...which just lean out your A/F ratio.
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Re: making the 14 v-6 a little faster

Just leave your Jeep as it is and stick to racing Priuses. Or better yet, grow up and don't street race at all.
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But not everybody can afford that chunk of money up front, or an extra 100 dollars on a car payment.
Then they need to be saving and working harder and smarter, not signing up for payments or buying aftermarket parts! I've recently learned that things have gotten so warped that some people are renting the big wheels and tires on their vehicles. Rome didn't last, and neither will the USA if people do not behave responsibly.
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Just leave your Jeep as it is and stick to racing Priuses. Or better yet, grow up and don't street race at all.
that's why there's local race tracks
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Yes. Some people do not have 65k to blow on an SRT.
True
Problem is that if you try to blow just a couple K on something like a turbo/supercharger you end up blowing several more K to upgrade the cooling system to keep from blowing even more K on a new engine.
For short term boost it is hard to beat nitrous.
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Rome didn't last, and neither will the USA if people do not behave responsibly.
Thanks Mom.

How long DID Rome last? Just asking. And did it really happen because the "people" were acting irresponsible, or were there other reasons?

Consumer Reports called, they'd like to know if you'd be interested in picking up your Downer Of The Year award.
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I agree on this one.

And a "tune" from a professional tuner will usually get you more power than a bunch of bolt-ons...which just lean out your A/F ratio.
You can deal with the bolt ons that lean you out by bumping injector size a bit--presuming the fuel management cannot handle it with your stock injectors.

As long as you keep the A/F reasonable, flowing more air pretty much equals more power since you would also be flowing more fuel. Counter-intuitively, a good exhaust and air flow can increase fuel efficiency.
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