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Old 01-25-2011, 12:25 PM
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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As soon as gas hits $5 ALL WK2 drivers will be in a pickle. Remember what happened to SUV resale values when gas hit $4?
If you're planning to offload a one or two year old vehicle, you're catching it in the shorts anyway.

Anybody who didn't go into one of these understanding that fuel might hit $4 or more just wasn't thinking. I think it's unlikely that we'll see $5 gas in may area anytime soon, but if I were in NYC or LA, I probably would not likely have picked up a WK2 for daily driver duties due to those higher fuel costs.
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Old 01-25-2011, 01:24 PM
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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If you're planning to offload a one or two year old vehicle, you're catching it in the shorts anyway.
True, but with $5 gas there won't be any money left over for lube.

Who the hell knows what the future holds. I'm beginning to like the 3.6. If Chryco throws some more gears behind it I might become a total convert as well.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

There was a thread from another forum that was talking about the same thing if gas went up to say $5.00 a gallon. The funny thing is its really just more in your mind than anything because the differences are actually pretty minor. And as others have said compared to other stuff such as taxes, food costs etc etc, gas is nothin!! Even at $5.00 a gallon.
This is a really good reply taken from another thread from a user there. Very well said!!

"I think there are a lot of misconceptions about how much more it's going to cost you to drive your Jeep when gas goes to $5, or how much you're going to save by buying an economy car. Check out these numbers based on driving 12,000 miles per year.

12,000 miles at 18 mpg
Gas @ $3 = $1,998
Gas @ $4 = $2,664
Gas @ $5 = $3,330

12,000 miles @ 30 mpg
Gas @ $3 = $1,200
Gas @ $4 = $1,600
Gas @ $5 = $2,000

So the lesson here is that when gas goes to $5 it will cost me another $1,300 per year driving my same Jeep. Most guys on this forum wouldn't think twice about spending that on a lift kit or skid plates. If you break it down to what the increase is per week it's even crazier.

If I trade my beloved GC in on a little economy car, it will save me the $1,300 almost exactly at 5 bucks a gallon. Would you do that to save $1,300? I sure wouldn't. I realize that $1,300 is a lot of money to some people but I think the gas price issue is more emotional than anything else.

Just my private rant about gas prices."
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Old 01-25-2011, 01:38 PM
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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If I trade my beloved GC in on a little economy car, it will save me the $1,300 almost exactly at 5 bucks a gallon. Would you do that to save $1,300? I sure wouldn't. I realize that $1,300 is a lot of money to some people but I think the gas price issue is more emotional than anything else.

Just my private rant about gas prices."
You're not wrong. Efficiency should be a factor when you're buying anyway, not driving you to a purchase you might not have otherwise made. The $5000 hit you took on your trade would buy a LOT of gas.

Besides, gasoline goes up and down. The folks who traded a beloved larger and thirstier vehicle for an econobox were still driving that econobox when gas dropped from $4 to under $2.

A high fuel price at purchase time can influence a decision (it did when I bought my Patriot), but calculating actual savings can be eye opening.
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:05 PM
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

We all rationalize our spending at times to make ourselves feel better about whatever purchase we make. I just dont dont understand why we have to justify it on these posts. Its one thing to give an honest assessment to contribute to this awesome site, its another to justify your purchase!!!!!!!! However, just because you can "afford" to buy a $40k vehicle doesnt mean you shouldnt give a crap about your car expenses. Its like saying you shouldnt consider the cost of the taxes/maintanence when you're buying an expensive house even though you can afford it. But hey, i live in the chicago area and get screwed everyway I turn.. a price increase here a price increase there, it adds up. Anyway, thats a rant for another venue...
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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If I trade my beloved GC in on a little economy car, it will save me the $1,300 almost exactly at 5 bucks a gallon.
Well, its hard to get the 18mpg with a hemi and 30mpg is not really a economic car ;-).

But i know what you mean. I made my decision against the Hemi, and i would love to have one, because of the fuel and tax in my country. I hold my car longer and drive my 12'000 miles a year. Fuel price is way over 6$ per gallon, and it will not go cheaper anytime soon, our gov. have plans to raise fuel tax in the future. I could pay the fuel, but do i really need the extra power? In 10 years, i safe a lot of $. But i smile every time i hear a US V8 ;-).
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

Good discussion. The V6 was on my checklist when shopping and it's a terrific engine IMHO, but the Hemi actually covers my needs better more so than I anticipated. For instance, when I need to tow some heavy trailers several times per year, the Hemi saves me from having to rent a large truck when I can't use our Expedition (wife needs it). The cost of a few rentals is much more than the extra fuel cost per year for the Hemi in my situation. If the Pentastar receives a twin turbo option in the future, that would nullify the Hemi for economy and towing capability not to mention the overall performance.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

The HEMI is the better choice given the weight of a loaded Overland. My in-laws have the last generation GC with the V6 and it is way under powered. I would be safe to say you would end up getting the same or better mileage from the Hemi as it has to work less to push the weight! Just my 2 cents!
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

I was very careful to test drive the V6 on the hills around my house, to make sure it "felt ok" -- especially since I'm used to the 5.2 V8 in my 98 JGC. Even though the V6 makes roughly the same HP, it certainly does not have the low-end torque of my old V8, much less the Hemi.

What I found was that the V6 was just fine (for me). I've never towed anything more than a small utility trailer, and even that is rare.

I did the gas calculations and for my driving, it would be less than $100/month different. So if I needed the Hemi, I would not have hesitated.

What swayed me toward the V6 is that the fuel tanks are the same size. I really like the idea of fewer stops at the gas pump - so that became the deciding factor.
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Old 01-25-2011, 08:42 PM
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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The HEMI is the better choice given the weight of a loaded Overland. My in-laws have the last generation GC with the V6 and it is way under powered. I would be safe to say you would end up getting the same or better mileage from the Hemi as it has to work less to push the weight! Just my 2 cents!
There is no comparison between the current 3.6 and the old 3.7 in the WK, so I would not say the current V6 WK2 is underpowered. But I agree, the HEMI is better suited to the vehicle, especially if you are coming from another V8.
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HEMI Or Bust!

First off, a pig over 2 tons needs the power of the V8 HEMI. Merging, passing and ascending takes work with the V6 and that weight. Add a few passengers and cargo and you'll really feel the inadequate power even more. Anyone can cruise at speed, but there's nothing like cruising at 85 mph and still being able to punch it and pass with little effort. The look of the dual exhaust and sound of the HEMI are just a bonus.

At least the Grand Cherokee has the choice of a V8 although they're wanting to look "green" (sorry but no truck is green, tree huggers) by offering the V6 and appeal to cost-conscious folk. Why no V8 or HEMI badges, Chrysler? Pretty soon you'll be slapping AWD on the Jeep. My wife liked the LR2 and Explorer but neither had a V8 and they also lacked the power to push their respective weights because of it. Because of the lack of choice, they were disqualified by me after verifying their weaknesses during test drives. She also liked some RX something and quickly dissuaded her from even seriously considering it. I looked at the X5 with V8 but at $60K more than the JGCO, fugeddaboutit.

Here's simple math between regular and mid grade gas requirements for each engine choice. Where I live it's $3.78 more per 24.6 gallon fill between the two. There's only about a 78 mile difference in estimated mileage between the two for that same tank fill. Now if I fill the tank once a week then that's just over $15 more a month between the two choices. If I'm so concerned about $15 a month then I shouldn't be spending $46,000+ on a vehicle if I'm so worried about the gas.

I usually get about 17 MPG in my Charger and the best I've ever done was about 21 MPG. I drive it the way I like and if it costs me .25 every time I slam on that pedal, so be it.

My wife is currently getting 13.3 MPG in her Overland after almost 500 miles. I'm wondering what she'll get after her first road trip and how long it will take her to get a ticket.
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:53 AM
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Merging, passing and ascending takes work with the V6 and that weight. Add a few passengers and cargo and you'll really feel the inadequate power even more.
No, not really. The V-6 is not inadequate. It is perfectly adequate. Some people are willing to work the transmission in order to get the most out of it. Others would prefer to spend the money and take a higher total cost of ownership in trade for significantly more low end torque. That extra torque gives what can be referred to as "a positive surfeit of adequacy."

You don't have to piss all over the V-6 in order to justify your purchase of the Hemi. You wanted it, you preferred it, that's enough. Others felt little to no difference on the test drives.
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