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Old 02-16-2011, 11:17 AM
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Re: HEMI Or Bust!

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No, not really. The V-6 is not inadequate. It is perfectly adequate. Some people are willing to work the transmission in order to get the most out of it. Others would prefer to spend the money and take a higher total cost of ownership in trade for significantly more low end torque. That extra torque gives what can be referred to as "a positive surfeit of adequacy."

You don't have to piss all over the V-6 in order to justify your purchase of the Hemi. You wanted it, you preferred it, that's enough. Others felt little to no difference on the test drives.
Have you gotten the ESC update? (forgot what TSB but we've talked about it to death on other threads)

It makes a huge difference now. Prior to the update, the dead spot when accelerating was a pain in the arse. Now? It accelerates very smoothly and effortlessly 0-60.

IMHO, going from 3.6L to 5.7L with a mere 70hp increase tells me all that I need to know about the Pentastar/Hemi engine debate. (the Pentastar is much more efficient) Wait until Chrysler (or aftermarket companies) start to exploit this engine.

Great article about the Pentastar engine.
http://www.egmcartech.com/2010/10/21...-pentastar-v6/

I feel that I need to beat this dead horse just a bit more!

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Old 02-16-2011, 11:54 AM
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IMHO, going from 3.6L to 5.7L with a mere 70hp increase tells me all that I need to know about the Pentastar/Hemi engine debate. (the Pentastar is much more efficient) Wait until Chrysler (or aftermarket companies) start to exploit this engine.
Yeah 70hp might not be an insane difference, but doesnt the Hemi have almost 400ft/lbs of torque? Now that is a big difference compared to 260 from the V6.

70hp and 130ft/lbs torque difference. I'll take it :-)
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:22 PM
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Have you gotten the ESC update? (forgot what TSB but we've talked about it to death on other threads)
Yes, I got the update a few weeks ago. I haven't really noticed any difference in acceleration; it's still possible to catch the powertrain flat footed (because it likes to use the highest gear possible). Sport mode tends to fix that, but I don't usually use that unless the roads are nice and dry.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

My take on the 5.7L in a Jeep.... its a slow run of the mill engine. Even in the WK1, the engine sucked. After driving the 3.7L, 4.7L, and the 5.7L in the WK1, the 4.7L was the better engine to balance both gas and power. In the WK2, the 3.6L closes the gap in power even more so than the 4.7L did in the WK1. If I remember it right, one of the engineers said that the V6 is only .3-.4 secs slower than the V8 to 60..... that isn't that much. I can understand the reason that someone would get a HEMI if and only if they tow a lot or tow heavy loads, and even then I question why someone that tow heavy loads would pick an SUV to do it in and not a pick-up. Outside of that, the HEMI in the Jeep is just an overrated engine that cost more to upkeep than what the engine is really worth. If you want a HEMI that is a real performer... get the 6.1 (or the upcoming 6.4L). That is a HEMI that is worthy of the name.

That is just my opinion on the 5.7L in the Jeep. If I had a Ram then getting the 5.7L would be a better choice because it makes the Ram more enjoyable to drive in traffic vs the 4.7L that makes the Ram as slow as a tank. And by slow, I'm talking about real world driving..... merging, passing, etc... not racing.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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I can understand the reason that someone would get a HEMI if and only if they tow a lot or tow heavy loads, and even then I question why someone that tow heavy loads would pick an SUV to do it in and not a pick-up.
Because I tow 2 or 3 times a year but I drive the vehicle almost every day. I don't want to drive a pickup all the time. That's why someone who needs to tow 5000+ lbs would want a luxury SUV and not a pickup. Hell, if I could find a car that would safely pull my trailer I'd be all over that but since they don't exist anymore an SUV is my only option.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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Because I tow 2 or 3 times a year but I drive the vehicle almost every day. I don't want to drive a pickup all the time. That's why someone who needs to tow 5000+ lbs would want a luxury SUV and not a pickup. Hell, if I could find a car that would safely pull my trailer I'd be all over that but since they don't exist anymore an SUV is my only option.
Towing 2 or 3 times per year IS NOT a lot. I said that if someone tows a lot, then I question why they use a SUV to do it.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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Ever notice on these forums in ANY thread you have never once seen the post: "I got the Hemi but really wish I had got with the v6. The Hemi is was too much power for me....". Seems the only people really ecstatic about their v6 are those that did not drive the v8 or those that use their jeeps like grandma: a half mile each way to the grocery store or to church.... Lol!

I too am glad I got the Hemi especially since I average 19-21 mpg on the highway with it!
Good point about nobody regretting buying the Hemi. I'm in Fort Collins Colorado at 5,000 Ft. I just picked up my Hemi Laredo X edition on Friday after driving both the V6 and the Hemi. Maybe it would have been more of a decision at sea level, but at my altitude the Hemi felt dramatically more powerful than the V6. The thing that bothered me about the V6 was the noise, and RPMs associated with downshifts when accelerating. The V6 kind of felt like an all or nothing engine where with the Hemi you just push the pedal down a little to get great acceleration with no noise or complaints at all. The Hemi made this vehicle stand out in a big way from all the other SUVs I test drove. I think that the two engines are much closer in terms of economy than they are in terms of power. I did a 120 mile mainly highway trip and got 20MPG cruising at about 82MPH. Around town I'm getting about 16, but I expect it to improve a bit once it's broken in.

The only thing I didn't like about my GC was the Michelin Latitude Touring (Minivan type) tires that it came with even though I got the off-road package 1. A local tire shop gave me a great trade today, so now I'm rolling with new Michelin LTX M/S2's, they look great and should be a pretty good improvement in the snow. It really seems like the tire that it should of come with from the factory. After spending close to 40K on a new car it seemed crazy to suffer through 60K-75K miles of driving on a tire that is mainly suited for highway cruising.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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Good point about nobody regretting buying the Hemi.
I've also yet to see people regret buying the V-6.

It seems that buyers are generally happy with their WK2s, or if not, the engine choice is not the source of their discontent. That is a good thing. To each his own, but I also note that usually it isn't the Pentastar owners denigrating the Hemi or the drivers who opt for it. People can be happy with what they have without claiming that the option they didn't choose is crap.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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My take on the 5.7L in a Jeep.... its a slow run of the mill engine. Even in the WK1, the engine sucked. After driving the 3.7L, 4.7L, and the 5.7L in the WK1, the 4.7L was the better engine to balance both gas and power. In the WK2, the 3.6L closes the gap in power even more so than the 4.7L did in the WK1. If I remember it right, one of the engineers said that the V6 is only .3-.4 secs slower than the V8 to 60..... that isn't that much. I can understand the reason that someone would get a HEMI if and only if they tow a lot or tow heavy loads, and even then I question why someone that tow heavy loads would pick an SUV to do it in and not a pick-up. Outside of that, the HEMI in the Jeep is just an overrated engine that cost more to upkeep than what the engine is really worth. If you want a HEMI that is a real performer... get the 6.1 (or the upcoming 6.4L). That is a HEMI that is worthy of the name.

That is just my opinion on the 5.7L in the Jeep. If I had a Ram then getting the 5.7L would be a better choice because it makes the Ram more enjoyable to drive in traffic vs the 4.7L that makes the Ram as slow as a tank. And by slow, I'm talking about real world driving..... merging, passing, etc... not racing.

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Yeah 70hp might not be an insane difference, but doesnt the Hemi have almost 400ft/lbs of torque? Now that is a big difference compared to 260 from the V6.

70hp and 130ft/lbs torque difference. I'll take it :-)
And it comes free with over 400 additional pounds of weight!
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

Of course this thread has gone on a long time, maybe too long. But have to just chime in with my two cents: Have the V6, and love it!

There was a time when the 2nd gear lag in Auto mode bothered me, but in the past week it has gone away. Just quiet, smooth revs all the way to 6500 rpm. I wonder if the ESC calibration period (the first 50 starts) had something to do with it. Two lane highway passing (lots of my driving) and high expressway speeds not a problem for me, in a non-mountain area.

And I have not yet had the 18-001 ESC TSB done yet, which is reported to improve performance even more.

Isn't it good we have the choice to get what we want and/or need?
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Towing 2 or 3 times per year IS NOT a lot. I said that if someone tows a lot, then I question why they use a SUV to do it.
I thought you meant tow a lot OR tow heavy loads, I fall into the "tow heavy loads" category. I didn't know you meant tow a lot AND tow heavy loads......

Just busting on ya

I have this conversation every time I walk on a car lot and a sales puke tries to convince me an SUV isn't what I want, it's a 1/2 ton pickup. It just hit a nerve.
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