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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

Hey. No need to move over. If I want to get there fast I'll just take this. Oh yeah, it's a 6 cylinder too!
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:38 AM
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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Hey. No need to move over. If I want to get there fast I'll just take this. Oh yeah, it's a 6 cylinder too!
Wellp cant argue with that :-) Sweet your a pilot? Me to I have my private instrument. Havent flown in a while but im an air traffic controller at Chicago center! Cars and aviation are my hobbies! love it
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Hey. No need to move over. If I want to get there fast I'll just take this. Oh yeah, it's a 6 cylinder too!
My 200 MPH airplane only has 4 cylinders.

I have ordered the 6 cylinder GC. Strange to me that the number of cylinders are so often equated with power. My 5.66 liter airplane engine is only 180 HP and many 4 cylinder racing engines are 500 HP plus.
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Well, you also have to factor in initial purchase price ($2000 on the Overland), increased fuel prices (not just consumption, but ten to fifteen cents more per gallon, which doesn't go as far). Then the increased maintenance costs... everything about the Hemi costs more. Now, you're correct that we aren't talking about a huge amount more, but it comes back to the needs, desires, and subjective feeling of the buyer.

If the buyer feels the six to be sufficient, doesn't need QDII, won't be towing, and lives at lower altitudes, there's absolutely zero reason to get the V-8. Sure, it doesn't cost THAT much more, but why pay it if you don't feel any positive result?

I think most of us Pentastar owners would have been plenty happy with the Hemi. I also think a good chunk of the Hemi drivers would probably have been served fine by the Pentastar. But to each their own, and as long as each person is pleased with the purchase, it's all good.
Well said indeed!, but i don't think anyone knows enough about the pentastar engine to talk about future maintenance?
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My 200 MPH airplane only has 4 cylinders.
I have ordered the 6 cylinder GC. Strange to me that the number of cylinders are so often equated with power. My 5.66 liter airplane engine is only 180 HP and many 4 cylinder racing engines are 500 HP plus.
Not fair...that's comparing apples to oats. The difference is an airplane engine is designed to operate making peak power within a narrow RPM range whereas an auto engine must have a wide operating range with (varying-but-usable) horsepower at all RPMs dictated by the torque available at varyious RPMs. Small private aircraft also weigh much less, have a much smaller frontal surface area and do not have road friction nor hills to deal with. Hence a little bit of power in a small plane yields big speeds; For example, the 1400lb (plane & myself), 80hp Diamond Katana DA20 can to ~160kts (~180mph).
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

I guess it all comes down to mating the right engine to the right vehicle to do the job you want to do. I'm hoping the new pentastar v-6 will be the right engine in my new overland which will work for me. If not I'll be yelling "I SHOULD HAVE HAD A V-8".
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:37 PM
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

I love the V6 in my JGC and don't regret it at all. I guess it's all relative though right, since I was coming from a 6.4 liter turbo diesel that you could watch the needle falling towards E while driving. I was ready for something with a little less appetite you know. I've had it up to around 9000 ft as well, and sure, it's going to kick down more than the hemi, but I never felt like it was struggling.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

That is really good to hear. I live in the southern San Joaquin Valley so elevations are around 300-400 ft. Occasional trips to Oregon where the normal elevation is around 4000ft. The 1999 GC with 4.7 v8 works fine up there, so hoping my new GC will replace it in about 4-5 years.
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Old 01-05-2011, 01:13 PM
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

Just turn off the cruise control when you're in the hills. As long as the hill isn't too long or steep the 3.7 will climb in 5th gear and you'll save gas. The new pentastar should be better, though I haven't seen the actual evidence yet. And if you want to trade some momentum for better gas mileage just let the speed bleed off very slowly (use the Jeep's weight to your advantage). Sacrifice 1 or 2 mph on the up side, and get them back on the other side of the hill. For long climbs, yep, just get used to the downshifting. Reasonable fuel consumption AND Jeep 4x4 capabilities are both important to me, that's why I passed up the V8s. No complaints here.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

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Well said indeed!, but i don't think anyone knows enough about the pentastar engine to talk about future maintenance?
Well just by the book the V6 will go 100K before the first plug change....by that time you will have changed the Hemi's 3 times and gone through a whopping 64 plugs. Plus the extra quart of oil at each change. It is all small amounts but over time add up.

The worse part is all the coupons from the dealers always exclude or add a charge for the hemi, LOL

Oh I have the HEMI in mine is anyone is wondering. I'll always have a V8 no matter what the price of gas is.
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:12 PM
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Well just by the book the V6 will go 100K before the first plug change....by that time you will have changed the Hemi's 3 times and gone through a whopping 64 plugs. Plus the extra quart of oil at each change. It is all small amounts but over time add up.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Plus, the Pentastar leaves a LOT of extra room in the engine bay, so any repairs or maintenance items are easier (heck, can practically change the serpentine belt of the V-6 without shutting it off!) and therefore cheaper. One quart of oil every 6-8K miles and a little extra on some other items won't break you (even the spark plug requirements aren't as bad as they seem; the Hemi, although it uses 12 plugs, the plugs are inexpensive), but all that adds up. At no point is the Hemi cheaper unless you are betting on drag races. Not a huge difference, but a difference, and like I said- if you don't feel a difference, why pay the money?

Now, the V-6 drivers do need to become more familiar with forcing kick downs with the Autostick or dialing up Sport mode more than the Hemi folks might need to, but that's what happens when you're missing over 100 foot pounds of torque.
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Re: Man am I glad I ordered the Hemi!

Owwww snap take that .....V 6 is great I'm sure, but love the feeling of knowing what happens when u step on that gas with the hemi it's like having too much money, it's not possible.
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