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To all those in this thread commenting that money is not a factor, why are you all not in SRT8's ??

You can't get quadra-drive in the STR8.
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To all those in this thread commenting that money is not a factor, why are you all not in SRT8's ?? And enough of this silly 'silky smooth' description, your not even shifting it yourself, and the trans shifting patterns are questioned by many here.

To the OP, it sounds like the type of driving you do must allow for maximum efficiency of the V8. I paid 28.5K for my Laredo and just don't see the need for more then the 290HP I have. I regularly commute NJ to the finger lakes area of NY, average 23.5 mpg in either direction, and I use the Jeep to pull my 3000lb bow rider around as well.


I'm not in a SRT8 because it's not the best truck for deep snow. An Overland is superior for that and off-road with the air suspension. I also appreciate the luxury the Overland supplies and part of that is the Hemi. The Overland is the most evolved version of the GC currently available.
This thread is about the MPG with the Hemi. IMHO it's not much worse than the V6 and has some very nice advantages. Sensible driving is all it takes to get better MPG out of any car.


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Re: MPG V8 - 2nd update

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The problem with this is that my friend with the V6 overland is just not beating my MPG numbers by a big enough margin for it to be meaningful to the wallet, especially on the highway. Again, this is a heavy truck and the extra HP and torque of the V8 makes for a very balanced vehicle that can get out of it's own way.
I paid about 42K for my 2012 V8 Overland with adaptive cruise. Getting the V6 was not 2K cheaper and there was a 750 rebate for anyone getting v8 last month. So with the V8 and V6 close in price and the MPG advantage for the V6 not a lot to write home about it was an easy choice.
Another side note: Outside of the comparison made with my friend's V6 Overland my friend typically gets MPG very close to mine, and barely any better on the highway unless he really keeps it light. He says he often pushes the V6 harder than I push the V8 and that costs.

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regardless how you look at things, the v6 gets 3-4mpg better then the hemi across the board. yes, baby the hemi and get 22, do the same with the v6 and get 25/26. same goes with city driving. I've had the 4.7L and Hemi in my past jeeps and felt no need with the wk2 for majority of my driving. I would have gone with the hemi if I was surrounded by mtn terrain or towed a lot. bottom line is they are both solid options depending on needs.
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regardless how you look at things, the v6 gets 3-4mpg better then the hemi across the board.
I don't see any proof of that, just some anecdotes with flawed observations.

My observation is that there is 1 perhaps 2 mpg difference on interstate type highways cruising 75 mpg or so. Usually 2 but perhaps as much as 3 mpg in city stop and go driving. Perhaps 3 for short trips scenarios. 4mpg if you are driving like you stole it

Yes both motors are solid options and it is nice to have choices.
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I don't see any proof of that, just some anecdotes with flawed observations.

My observation is that there is 1 perhaps 2 mpg difference on interstate type highways cruising 75 mpg or so. Usually 2 but perhaps as much as 3 mpg in city stop and go driving. Perhaps 3 for short trips scenarios. 4mpg if you are driving like you stole it

Yes both motors are solid options and it is nice to have choices.


My friend feels that he makes his V6 work harder so it's tougher to baby it for best MPG. The Hemi just glides along so easily, so much easier to not push it. At 80 MPH the Hemi seems to be barely working while the 6 sounds a bit taxed.
I agree that the MPG benefit of the V6 is pretty small, perhaps zero for some drivers and it's a significant step back in the feel and performance of the truck. I'm sorry, but my experience with the V6 Overland is a sense of it being underpowered and taxed too often. It just doesn't fit. We had the same feeling when we test drove the Audi Q7, which was quick enough yet lacked torque on hills and such. These luxury SUV's need more power and I think the Hemi should be the starting point. The Overland could easily still benefit from a bit more power, even though the Hemi is close to ideal!


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Re: MPG V8 - 2nd update

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I don't see any proof of that, just some anecdotes with flawed observations.

My observation is that there is 1 perhaps 2 mpg difference on interstate type highways cruising 75 mpg or so. Usually 2 but perhaps as much as 3 mpg in city stop and go driving. Perhaps 3 for short trips scenarios. 4mpg if you are driving like you stole it

Yes both motors are solid options and it is nice to have choices.
1-2 at best? I have a lot of seat time with both and have driven the same 175 mile trip (summer weather) and the v6 consistently got 25 while the hemi was 21/22. The hemi was a limited while the v6 an overland. Cruising at 80 might be different but at 70-75mph, these are what I calculated by hand several times. I even passed 26mpg a few times with the v6. IMO, the v6 only feels a little taxed when accelerating steep inclines otherwise feels fine and drives much lighter then the hemi not to mention the w5a580 seems to be a little smoother vs the 545rfe tranny. Again, both are great options and it all depends on use and what you want.
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Re: MPG V8 - 2nd update

Sorry...the V6 is really not great. 0-60 in about 9 seconds is AWFUL for a 40K plus Overland or pretty much any SUV at that price point. Most are faster. The Hemi is part of the package that makes the GC "complete" in Overland trim. In lower end trims I can see why some might go for the v6.

My friend has a Overland V6 lease and he can't wait to get out of it after driving my Hemi version. I also have time with both engines and the V6 is not only slow, it won't always get you clear if you kick it down in an emergency maneuver.

The 8 speed will hopefully get some life out of the V6, but until then I can say I'm very glad I passed on it. This thread was started to report the good results I'm getting with the Hemi and the better than expected MPG. If you have a V6 that you need to feel good about then start a thread.

Today I averaged just over 23 MPG with the Hemi. This is THE engine to get if you're going for a Overland. If the V6 was quicker and got 27-28 MPG I'd see the point. It's not all that sensible to cripple the powerplant of a heavy SUV for a few MPG, which is also a trade for safer power delivery in an emergency, better performance and probably better longevity and resale.

I do hope the 8 Speed cures the issues.


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Re: MPG V8 - 2nd update

That's fine, you're the one that made the ridiculous statement that the "v6 doesn't fit" and " is not great". I guess all the published reviews stating the v6 is more then adequate are flat out wrong. You are correct that the v6 is not quick but what does that make the v8 being only a second faster... . the hemi is just as bad when comparing to other V8s not to mention much more refined v8s.

Btw, I might have ended up with the v8 as I purchased late 2011 and had few to choose from, but Found the pkg I wanted and couldn't turn down a loaded overland v6 for $36k.
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That's fine, you're the one that made the ridiculous statement that the "v6 doesn't fit" and " is not great". I guess all the published reviews stating the v6 is more then adequate are flat out wrong. You are correct that the v6 is not quick but what does that make the v8 being only a second faster... . the hemi is just as bad when comparing to other V8s not to mention much more refined v8s.

Btw, I might have ended up with the v8 as I purchased late 2011 and had few to choose from, but Found the pkg I wanted and couldn't turn down a loaded overland v6 for $36k.


2012 V8 Overland is about 2 seconds quicker and on the highway it's even more dramatic. I've read and seen most of the reviews and adequate is commonly used for the V6, but "more" than adequate is not used often with the v6. It's a very pedestrian powerplant for a luxury SUV and does not perform on par with most others in the heavy GC, easily bested by a V6 Kia Sorento.
I'm not a PC type person. The V6 is the base engine and that's it. Putting it in a near-top-the-line model SUV doesn,'t make sense to me. Is it viable? Of course. So was my Subaru Tribeca that was also underpowered, but got me to work and to the boatyard. I don't believe the V6 is a "value" of any kind against it's shortcomings.

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2012 V8 Overland is about 2 seconds quicker and on the highway it's even more dramatic. I've read and seen most of the reviews and adequate is commonly used for the V6, but "more" than adequate is not used often with the v6. It's a very pedestrian powerplant for a luxury SUV and does not perform on par with most others in the heavy GC, easily bested by a V6 Kia Sorento.
I'm not a PC type person. The V6 is the base engine and that's it. Putting it in a near-top-the-line model SUV doesn,'t make sense to me. Is it viable? Of course. So was my Subaru Tribeca that was also underpowered, but got me to work and to the boatyard. I don't believe the V6 is a "value" of any kind against it's shortcomings.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

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i respect your opinion...My only point is the V6 is just as solid of an option as the V8 it just depends on use and wants...it's not a laughable option as you make out to be. I could care less but the same sorento you mentioned outdoes the JGC V8 as well as does the new ford escape and many others. all reviews and tests I've seen show the difference around 1sec...either 7sec vs. 8sec or 7.5 vs. 8.5. It seems that once it's up and moving, the v6 is not as horrible as you indicate according to motor trend's review.

Per Motor TRend's full review:
V8 Overland:
0-60: 7.6s
Passing, 45 - 65mph: 4.0s
1/4 mile: 15.4 @ 92.2mph

V6 Limited:
0-60: 8.4s
Passing, 45 - 65mph: 4.4s
1/4 mile: 16.3 @ 86.6mph

okay, back on point regarding the v8 MPG discussion.
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Motor Trend gave the Evoque the SUV of the year award. I would not cite them as a source for anything! ;-)

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Re: MPG V8 - 2nd update

I hate you all with the V8 and getting good gas mileage. Kidding aside, 90% of my driving is city, so I opted for the V6. I would have liked to have gotten the V8, but it just wasn't really an option with all my city driving. Also, I am young, live in So Cal, and haven't been with a company long enough to be overpaid. So every dollar means a lot. But I love my 6'r, I have never felt the need for more power around town. With my driving habits around town, I usually get 17-19 mpg. That's with my math, not the Jeeps.

Additionally, I just drove 700 miles this weekend on a pretty desolate desert highway and got roughly 24 mpg. But, I will agree that while passing some trucks, my engine was working harder than I would have liked. Once I start to get overpaid for my services, I will most likely get the V8 option, but that is years away.

I guess I am writing this just to chime in for the V6 not being a slouch, when I give it gas, it goes and when I need to go fast, it goes fast. FWIW, I got this awesome beast for 2 reasons, IMHO 1. It is by far the 2nd best looking SUV on the market (Audi is #1) and 2. Jeeps are awesome when off roading and in the snow. If I wanted to go fast off the line, I would have bought a fast car, but then I would be the guy that doesn't get to take his ride to the snow and is always bumming rides!!! I have a buddy with a 50k+ Tahoe with low pro tires who thinks he will be coming with me on every snowboarding trip.

TLDR:
-V6 has plenty of power, and for comparison
-mpg around town: 17-19
-mpg on a highway: 24+
-I'm sure all of us would want a V10 or a V12 Hemi in our jeeps, but sometimes that isn't practical, nor existent, but I think you get my point.

/signed Very Happy V6 4X4'r


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