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Re: My 30,000 mile review

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Not on mine. THe bottom of the seat goes up...and it goes down...but the BOTTOM doesnt tilt. (on mine). The back of the seat reclines....all the way...which is awesome. The lumbar support extends and retracts....AND the lumbar raises and lowers for optimum positioning along the spine...which is incredible. Now, if only there were a software update for "Shiatsu Mode" which would roll the lumbar support up and down slowly massaging the drivers back......

But....I guess I need to have a reason to get OUT of the Jeep every now and then. LOL

All you have to do to raise the front of the seat is to use the seat bottom button. Place one finger on the back of the button pressing it down while taking another finger to the front of the button pushing it up.

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Re: My 30,000 mile review

Seat-tilt Mystery solved.

I was wrong.

The bottom of my seat does tilt as it should.

Now I simply have to play with it enough to figure out how to get it just right and not look like Im trying to "roll like a gangsta" all whoopti-style and laid-back where I cant see over the dash.

Lol

Just need to tweak the adjustments a tad...and lock it into one of the memory settings.

THX to everyone who told me to keep mess'n with it until I figured it out.

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Re: My 30,000 mile review

The acoustic glass and they ANC definitely dull the sound of the engine. I had a 2014 Overland with the HEMI before my 2015 Summit with the HEMI, and I pretty much have to roll the windows down when I want to hear the engine growl. Otherwise, though, the reduced noise is great.
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Re: My 30,000 mile review

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I purchased my 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit 5.7 Hemi AWD new 7 months ago. Today, I rolled over 30,000 miles and thought I'd share my opinions. That's all they are...opinions. Everyone has their own and everyone has their own experiences...these are mine. Your experience WILL differ....and thus so will your opinions.

In a nut-shell...its not prefect; but it is DAMN good.

Now...a few more details -
Im a consultant. I do a great many things of a widely varied nature. One of the things that I do is manage an exotic game ranch here in Central Texas. That usually wouldnt be a significant point other than it goes a long way towards describing how I use my Jeep. Simply put, I use the snot out of it. I do not baby it. It earns its keep...all day...every day. 30,000 miles in 7 months sounds like a lot, but the number doesnt do justice to the TYPE of driving that I do. As I've mentioned in other threads, most of my 150-mile commute every day is about 80% toll road at 80-85 mph, Roughly 10% gravel and washboard roads, Roughly 5% small town streets (that means a combination of smooth and crappy), and roughly 5% rocky trails and cross country (no roads or trails at all). I do this all day. Several days a week...rain or shine. In the dark and in the daylight. Freezing or 103 (the hottest its been in the 7 months that Ive had THIS Jeep).

Prior to this JGC Summit, I had a 2012 Jeep Sahara Unlimited. Mostly stock. Loved it but wanted something a little better suited for 100 miles a day at "high" speeds, so I traded it at 131,000miles. It did an amazing job, even at "high" speeds, but I was looking for something a bit....quieter. Im not too much of a man to admit that when I handed over the keys to my wrangler, I had a tear in my eye when I pleaded with the sales man: "I know its just a used vehicle to yall, but please dont let this go to some jerk-wad who will not appreciate it." I miss my wrangler.

But I very much enjoy my Summit.

When I drove the Summit off the lot, the dealer had 45# of air in each tire and I did not like the ride quality. I immediately referenced this forum and found that the other forum members recommend the pressure on the OEM Fortera tires is 36#. I deflated to the recommended 36# and the ride quality improved DRAMATICALLY. I was concerned about shredding the sidewall with so little pressure on the sharp and jagged surfaces that I run and have had not one problem with the tires at all...zip...zero...zilch. I am really extremely impressed with these basic, low-bid, city-tires. They are quiet, smooth, efficient, and offer surprising traction. I had originally planned on replacing them with my all-time favorite tire (Falken Wild Peak AT3W) and was gonna yank he fortera's off and put the AT3W on at the earliest possible opportunity. However, I've gradually become confident enough in the city tires that I am willing to wait a little while longer until the next decent sale at Discount tire. The Fortera is a good tire, but I still have to be more careful than I would be with true A/T tires. Who knows...maybe labor day. Im in no particular hurry, the Fortera's look like they have about 20k more miles of tread on them...that would put them about 50k which, again, is impressive given the nature of my driving.

Why did I select the Summit? I did so because I wanted the gadgets and "creature Comforts" Specifically, I wanted the cooled seats, adaptive cruise control, acoustic noise dampening, Quadra-Lift suspension.

I chose poorly.

Having been with it a for a little more than a loop around the planet, now, I can say that many of the gatdget are cool. But for MY personal uses...I would likely have been happier with the Overland (as was recommended to me by multiple other forum members...yeah...I remember....I get it).

The cooled seats...yup, they are a winner. Definetly worth it for me. Nobody likes swamp-ass...especially if you are in a vehicle for 6-8-10-12 hours a day. Love the cooled seats. Back in that pathetic excuse for a winter that we had this year, I was equally fond of the heated seats (front and back) as well as the heated steering wheel. All of which were marketing "gimmicks" that I thought were a bit prissy for a Jeep, but I was curious. and now Im SOLD. Love it.

Adaptive headlights....I was intrigued. THought they would help me dodge the kamikaze deer that flourish in my area. No complaints from me, but not much to brag about. I could live without them, but they are nice to have.

Acoustic Dampening....I was intrigued. IM also a commercial pilot and my headsets have acoustic noise cancellation which works GREAT. In the Summit...I have no idea if its working or not. Initially I didnt think it was on. But about a month ago I started having this bone-chilling screech on one or two occasions when I would shut down the engine and open the door simultaneously. This would potentially be the acoustic monitoring sensors freaking out and overcompensating for unusual and unpredictable spikes in sound that it is trying to compensate for. Just my guess. In short, the acoustic dampening is functional, and probably helps some; but I really cannot tell a tremendous amount of difference between the Summit that I own and the Limited that I rented to test before I bought. Granted, the Limited was the V-6 and the Summit is a V-8, so it isnt exactly apples to apples. MOST of the noise I hear is road-SURFACE noise that changes considerably with different road types. I get NO wind noise (acoustic glass) and I feel robbed that I cannot hear much engine/exhaust noise (I wanted ot hear the Hemi Growl) but that is probably the Acoustic Dampening doing its job. Be careful what you wish for. Chalk this up to its another nice feature (I guess) but I could live without it.

Reclining rear seat....this hardly gets any mention anywhere. And the sales staff (all of them) gathered around in amazement wheen I demonstrated that it is a feature in ALL Grand Cherokees. I love this feature and so do my passengers. Huge selling point in my opinion.

8.4" infortainment system.....reviews say that this is THE best infotainment system in ANY vehicle in on the market today. I believe them. Love it. Has extremely minor quirks, but is 99.9% AWESOME.

Adaptive cruise control....takes some getting used to. Hard to trust it at first. but once you get the knack of it...its pretty nice. Easy to forget when you are in a "lesser" vehicle that doesnt have it (like my Wife's Jag F-Type). Nice feature to have.

Not so nice is the Collision Avoidance "Auto Braking" feature. I had read comments before I bought about how it isnt subtle or gentle. I had dismissed those comments as being petty, nit-picking or oblivious. Afterall...if the vehicle decided it needs to step in and do something to save itself, do you really want it to be gentle? F---- YES!!! I do. Holy crap, I ve had that thing go off a few times now...slow car changes lanes in front of you, cow wanders onto the road, tumbleweed rolls by (serously)...all of which caught my eye a spit second before my Jeep gave me a brief warning alarm and flash on the instrument display before slamming on the brakes so hard I thought it was trying to turn itself inside out. I mean...crap flew EVERYWHERE. I thought I had hit something...only to find out that it was the Jeep, saving itself. For safety's sake, I will say that its a nice feature. For sanity's sake I will say....might want to make sure you have a clean pair of drawers conveniently available cuz if that thing goes off, you just might need em.

Seat comfort...I rad in one of the forums that various trim levels have different levels of plushness to the seat foam. I cannot complain about the seat softness, the foam is pliable, the leather is supple and durable. I like it. I do wish the side-bolsters were a wee bit tighter. Preferably adjustable bolsters. If i was to wish a bit more, Id say that I wish someone at Jeep could figure out that it isnt a good thing that the seat sits flat. There should be a slight aft-ward cant to the seat surface so that gravity helps keep you IN the seat rather than hours of slouching trying to slide you OUT of the seat. This is rasily resolved with about an inch worth of washers under the front mounting bolts of the seats. Lifts the front of the seat just enough to crate the feel that I personally prefer....again...this is an opinion.

Panoramic roof....love it.

Suade-like headliner....Didnt think I would be a fan since I work in extremely dusty environments. But, so long as I keep the air system on Recirculate when needed, I have had no issues with it at all. Im happy.

Speaking of climate control....fantastic!!!! gets it cool quickly and keeps it COLD when I want. Separate climate zones keep me and my wife happy at the same time....ahhhhh....peace and tranquility.....

What else....

5.7 Hemi. Nice. No mechanical issues. Runs great. I average about 18mpg because I cuise at 80+ mph. When I cruise at 65 I average around 24mpg. And at 55 I get around 28mpg (there is a reason they call 55 the most fuel efficient speed...fluid dynamic comprehensibility) BUt I usually make the deliberate trade of more dollars and more dinosaur-juice...for less time getting where I need to be. I do like the power of the V-8 but I have leaned that I have to get slightly higher in the power bands (over 3k rpm) before I can really FEEL the pull. Sports mode, in particular, if you drive like a normal person, it doesnt feel much different than in normal mode. But if you are in sports mode and you drive like a teenager, you'll feel the difference.

Quadralift suspension....this is probably my biggest disappointment. Dont get me wrong, it is very cool. And it is useful at highway speeds. But it is NOT smooth. It is NOT gentle. It is an adjustable air suspension that is a bit bouncy and harsh for a "luxury" vehicle. In off-raod 2....its extremely harsh and unforgiving...but its supposed to be, how else are ya gonna get more clearance than I had in the wrangler? Pump it up. But IM talking even in "normal ride" configuration...its just too bouncy. There isnt enough CUSH in the the shocks. I should opted OUT of Quadralift for my peuposes.

So....to summarize (again). For my personal purposes, I think I would have been better served with an Overland. That Summit is incredible. I realy REALY like it. I would not trade out of it. I have the unlimited Lifetime warranty and I anticipate making great use of it (the Jeep and the Warranty) for many years and many many many many many miles to come.

But sometimes I still miss my Wrangler.

Happy trails, all.

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kamikaze deer nice line... I live in Minnesota dam things are over the place and stupid geese that wont move when you honk at them ...lol nice review on your summit..i saw a article the almost all jeep grands are coming with the v6 now sad hope it is not true that hemi is powerful and smooth .
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Re: My 30,000 mile review

Vroooom - Great in-depth review - THANKS!!

I did settle on the Overland instead of the Summit for the Off Road Adventure II option (wanted the skid plates pre-installed). My wife wanted an interior color option that wasn't available in the Summit.

I don't accumulate the miles you do, but in a year accumulated 18K. I am happy with the diesel option over the Hemi. It has plenty of Oomph!!

I would have like the sound cancelling system that is standard on the Summit.

OVER-ALL - I am happy with our JGC!!


BTW - we spent many years in Central Texas (Ft Hood) and a couple down at Corpus (NAS). Saw a lot of exotic game flying over the King Ranch area between Corpus and Brownsville.
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Vroooom - Great in-depth review - THANKS!!

I did settle on the Overland instead of the Summit for the Off Road Adventure II option (wanted the skid plates pre-installed). My wife wanted an interior color option that wasn't available in the Summit.

I don't accumulate the miles you do, but in a year accumulated 18K. I am happy with the diesel option over the Hemi. It has plenty of Oomph!!

I would have like the sound cancelling system that is standard on the Summit.

OVER-ALL - I am happy with our JGC!!


BTW - we spent many years in Central Texas (Ft Hood) and a couple down at Corpus (NAS). Saw a lot of exotic game flying over the King Ranch area between Corpus and Brownsville.
I absolutely wouldnt consider an Overland to be "settling" for anything. Its a different tool for a different job. Quite frankly, I think it would be a better tool for my job. But for now, I will be quite happy with my "tuxedo and combat-boots" approach..

I spend a lot of time in the area around Fort Hood and I live near Austin (fortunately not within). I see lots of 47's and 60's in the area that remind me of my days of wearing camo for a living. 64's reminding me of the career I should have chased. Monday I saw a UH-1...no kidding. I heard the unmistakable wop-wop-wop and started looking around and sure as ____ I finally caught a glimpse of her slipping between two hill tops. I thought only the jarheads were still running those. Then again, about 6 months ago I was mess'n around in the boonies and a Sea Stallion came over at about 500 feet and I got indecently excited. But my bestest whirly-bird sighting on this side of the pond....4 years ago....I was walking across a parking lot with my wife in north austin, I froze in place and dam near sharted myself while I watched a Mil-24 make a slow and easy traverse across the tree-tops. That is/was one sexy and terrifying beast. Musta been op-for or some such fun-ness. (my wife was so very patient with me while I drolled on and on for hours about what marvels she had just witnessed...she was not nearly as impressed....sigh)
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My 30,000 mile review

Pretty solid review.

The seats are pretty basic. Shape wise. They aren't bad but they kind of suck.

The air suspension is mediocre. It produces loud thuds around town when hitting bumps or uneven pavement. Excessive squat when taking off from a stop. Excessive nose dive upon sudden braking. Overly jittery around town. My biggest complaint, it causes the GC to rock back and forth side to side when turning, especially if there's lumpy uneven pavement.

I've said before somewhere a while back, I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish the air suspension was adaptive. At least for the Summit since it's the luxurious highway trim.
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Pretty solid review.

The seats are pretty basic. Shape wise. They aren't bad but they kind of suck.

The air suspension is mediocre. It produces loud thuds around town when hitting bumps or uneven pavement. Excessive squat when taking off from a stop. Excessive nose dive upon sudden braking. Overly jittery around town. My biggest complaint, it causes the GC to rock back and forth side to side when turning, especially if there's lumpy uneven pavement.

I've said before somewhere a while back, I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish the air suspension was adaptive. At least for the Summit since it's the luxurious highway trim.

I've never driven anything that drives as smooth as my GC. Part of that is because I have driven 5 wranglers and a few XJ's. I have driven some cars that drove well, but my HA is a pretty good overall combination.


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I've never driven anything that drives as smooth as my GC. Part of that is because I have driven 5 wranglers and a few XJ's. I have driven some cars that drove well, but my HA is a pretty good overall combination.


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Admittedly, I have a bit of a spoiled history on "Ride-quality"
We've been a chevy suburban family since the 1940's. Ive owned three myself and put a quarter million miles on each. They wallow in evasive maneuvers, but their long wheel-base made them a dream on the wide open highways. Another million or so miles in Crown Victoria's and Caprice's (the real ones, not these Mailbu make-overs that they've had for the past decade or so) and I just got used to heavy vehicles that make even the biggest bump or hole...almost enjoyable.

But there is always a trade-off. What they excelled in with ride quality, they compromised in responsiveness.

I wish that the Grand Cherokee had a more absorbant suspension with a slower re-fill rate in the shocks (less bounce) but I am glad that it doesnt have the wallow or sluggishness of its boatier cohorts.

I think the Overland, with the Diesel engine and a "normal" suspension" (Not Quadra lift) would be real damn close to being perfect.

.....in my world.

Once again....personal perspective.
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Excellent review. I have a 14' Altitude V6 with nearly 70,000 miles. She has done me good and continues to provide as an awesome everyday vehicle. I am a sales engineer for manufacturing technology and I travel all around the mid-west. The drive and looks are excellent and impress most people who ride with me.

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I can't believe how many people do not mention this. It may sound trivial but like you said, my passengers are impressed that they can recline back and relax during a short, or long, trip. Excellent feature in my opinion.

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8.4" infortainment system.....reviews say that this is THE best infotainment system in ANY vehicle in on the market today. I believe them. Love it. Has extremely minor quirks, but is 99.9% AWESOME.
Many people will go back and forth with this thought of the infotainment. However, I have to agree with you that the 8.4" system is truly an excellent system.

I'm glad to hear of another fellow Jeeper who slams miles on their vehicle. The JGC is built great and I will plan to look into another one on my next "new" vehicle go around (hopefully the new WL model). The next one will get the V8 (or turbo 6) because I do miss having the feel of power and the sound of rumble.
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First....you have a BEAUTIFUL rig. I long for the blacked out look.....but my wife like the bling of chrome.


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I can't believe how many people do not mention this. It may sound trivial but like you said, my passengers are impressed that they can recline back and relax during a short, or long, trip. Excellent feature in my opinion.
Yeah....I wasnt very clear in my initial post when I expressed dismay at the entire sales staff expressing amazement when I schooled them on the reclining rear seats in all Grand Cherokees. What I should have made more clear was that it was all of the sales staff OF THE JEEP DEALERSHIP.

Grrrrr!
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First....you have a BEAUTIFUL rig. I long for the blacked out look.....but my wife like the bling of chrome.




Yeah....I wasnt very clear in my initial post when I expressed dismay at the entire sales staff expressing amazement when I schooled them on the reclining rear seats in all Grand Cherokees. What I should have made more clear was that it was all of the sales staff OF THE JEEP DEALERSHIP.

Grrrrr!
I can't remember the last time I talked to ANY car salesman that at a minimum knew at least as much about a vehicle as I did.
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